[hotpotamus]

> I had my fun while being a student

I've never understood the whole "party it up in college" thing. Like number one, I had to go to class and then do school work. I also had to work a shit job to try and not end up drowning in debt for school. I basically did the "996" thing (12 hour days 6 days a week) between school and work for years. It was not a party for me. Also I have zero interest in putting a child through that or many aspects of the modern world.

[Glawen]

Well, having fun is a very subjective thing. I was not a party guy neither but I must admit I did not need to work like you. It is just that I went abroad to study. That was an adventure for me as I could barely speak English at 18. I lived 5 years in the UK, then I worked 7 years in Germany. It fulfilled my need to discover the world and gave me a better insight about what is good or bad in a country.

Now I am having fun by doing cycling trips several days with my son. We are eagerly waiting for the sun.

I don't see what young people see, what is bad about the modern world? We are not at war, we have an incredible comfort, I don't get why it is not a good time to have children (if you want one of course). I think people should just stop trying to plan everything and just do something and improvise.

Disclaimer: having children is a money sink and limiting factor when want to pursue your career, but it is not blocking you.

[hotpotamus]

Well, being somewhat homeless is an issue for me as well. While the idea of being a free spirit is nice, I suspect that society will more or less expect me to provide shelter for said children. As I said, there really are multiple problems with the whole idea.