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As a fellow European - don't apologize, I thank you!

We all know the problems with planned economy, and governmental bans are some of the worst examples of that.

Instead, government should support development of alternative technologies, and when those technologies are better, they will naturally take over.

We shouldn't risk another massive failure like Europe's (and Germany's in particular) "green policy" that involved ignoring energy reliability, shunning nuclear, and ended up with Germany restarting coal power plants.

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>Instead, government should support development of alternative technologies, and when those technologies are better, they will naturally take over.

I presume "naturally" is a euphemism for "subsidize the R&D, privatize the profits." I am shocked (shocked!) that a company might favor this option. ;)

The big problem in your example is a government choosing winners and losers by technology. Instead, a carbon tax should be used to tell us what to achieve (lower greenhouse emissions) and let the market decide the most cost-efficient way.

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Yeah, carbon tax is also my best idea.

Another simple option is actually taking into account all (or at least most) market conditions when drafting regulation / market rules. E.g. going beyond instantaneous price of energy (which unfairly favours solar) but instead incorporating grid stability as well.

Also I don't understand your point about "subsidising R&D but privatising the profits". If the government wants something to happen, surely they should pay for it? (In this case, development of EV.) And as we know, private industry is more efficient at doing stuff than governments, so surely it's better to let private industry do the R&D, rather than sink the same (or more, as usual with government projects) amount of money into R&D but get worse outcomes.

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>If the government wants something to happen, surely they should pay for it?

If an industry is profiting by pushing the cost of their pollution onto society, surely the polluting industry should pay for it?

These (heavily subsidized) profits are not "owed," in reality it's the polluters who are the debtors here.

Here's a friendly reminder, since companies are constantly trying to flip this script around:

Companies serve at the whims of civil society, not the other way around. Society generously allows these companies to exist, not the other way around.

It's not our job to come to these car companies, hat in hand, and bargain for them to please mister please sir please don't destroy our planet! Instead, it's their obligation to not destroy the planet.

If companies prefer not to invest having a future business, they're welcome to cease existing in that future. We call this creative destruction, and it's essential to make room for newer and better companies to take their place.

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I’m 100% certain that the vast majority of the population wants cheap, efficient, reliable, fast, private means of transportation. Companies (both car and oil) are just serving that want.

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No disagreement there.

But since we agree they're just serving a need, maybe let's not pretend that this automatically gives them the God-given right to destroy the planet[0], and that the regulators are being unfair by taking it away?

You might re-read my post above. I cleaned it up a bit, so maybe my intent is more clear now.

[0] if it helps, substitute the phrase "other people's property" here