[haclifford]

Doesn't seem particularly game-changing.

I do like the haml style templating though, anything like this exist standalone with coffeescipt not js syntax?

We currently use eco (https://github.com/sstephenson/eco), but that's standard html.

[secoif]

Stylus is an excellent contender. http://learnboost.github.com/stylus/

I'd vouch it makes haml look like someone took stylus code and spat random characters all over it. It's even got its own compass equivalent, nib: https://github.com/visionmedia/nib

[jsavimbi]

Stylus is for CSS, not HTML.

[secoif]

Oh wow, I remember looking at my post thinking: "something's wrong here, oh well." I actually meant Jade:

http://jade-lang.com/.

Jade makes HAML look like a dogs breakfast.

[jsavimbi]

You sir, are correct in that. Slim also merits a looking at, but I write everything [static] in Jade first and then transfer the output to whatever, yeah, JSP's. There's a significant performance hit from using non-HTML at run time, +40% in some cases, as was Haml back a couple of years ago. Probably a good reason why RoR adopted Sass yet shied away from Haml.

[gregwebs]

The Ruby slim templates get compiled to an intermediate language (Temple). That is then compiled into an end form and everything is cached - the performance is all the same.

RoR didn't pick Haml because Haml abandons HTML. Take a look at the Hamlet language which give the best of both worlds. https://github.com/gregwebs/hamlet.js https://github.com/gregwebs/hamlet.rb

[jfirebaugh]

I just released a port of Slim with embedded CoffeeScript: https://github.com/jfirebaugh/skim

If you prefer HAML, check out https://github.com/9elements/haml-coffee

[jnicklas]

You can use Serenade pretty much as a static template engine if you want to. It's quite small (9k), so not a huge dependency.