Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by throwawayai2 1188 days ago
What happens when no junior devs are hired for 5 years? Who works their way up to replace the seniors who are leaving?
5 comments

Is there a scenario where just the people that REALLY love programming start in the field? Could this be a situation where you reduce the field of programmers to only those that are truly passionate about programming, thus making the people left in the field the cream of the crop? We have all worked with individuals that are clearly in the field because they think they can make a lot of money and don’t give a crap about doing a good job. Can we envision a world where these people go on to another field instead of clogging up this one?
I started as a programmer right during the dotcom crash - it sure felt like that.
If there is a way to produce senior software engineers without years of work experience, why aren't we doing it now?
There is no way. What I am alluding to is that, the only people who will go down the path of being a junior to senior dev are those that truly love the field. It will purge those that only go down the path because they think it will make them a lot of money. Is this good or bad? Only you can decide.

What I didn’t say but should be a given is that these AI tools won’t be able to completely eliminate the need for any human touch, it will just reduce the need to the point where there won’t be the current huge demand for developers, and thus, the only people that travel down that path will be the ones that are truly passionate about development.

In order to be able to make use of the code produced by AI - be it review, validate, fix, integrate or iterate - operator needs to ultimately be better than AI at making software. (Unless we abandon the idea of understanding what exactly software we are running does)

The question then is how exactly does one become better than AI at making software if no one is going to pay you to make software until you are better than AI?

The same issue with art - we need a sea of mediocre artists and a market for their work for great artists to emerge. AI takes over mediocre art market - all commercially driven art disappears.

By the late 2020s, it's entirely possible that a "weaker" AGI will emerge. Consequently, there may be much less need for senior developers as well. However, that could be among the least of our concerns if we cannot reliably align AI with human interests by then.

Date Weakly General AI is Publicly Known https://www.metaculus.com/questions/3479/date-weakly-general...

Date of Artificial General Intelligence https://www.metaculus.com/questions/5121/date-of-artificial-...

The latter includes this criterion: "Able to get top-1 strict accuracy of at least 90.0% on interview-level problems found in the APPS benchmark introduced by Dan Hendrycks, Steven Basart et al."

The APPS benchmark: https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.09938

Note that the predicted date of "stronger" AGI has moved quite a lot since GPT-4 is revealed, from late 2030s to 2033 at this moment.

Has anyone tested GPT-4 on APPS? And if it can get 90% (which it probably can) does that mean people will admit it's an AGI? Or more likely they just keep moving the goalposts.

   > By the late 2020s, it's entirely possible that a "weaker" AGI will emerge.
We will surely have self-driving cars by then? Right? Right?
There’s always a cost to beeing more greedy than you can handle
Please elaborate
Stupid greed is taking so much as to starve your supply. Smart greed is sustainable greed. Smartest greed is one that feeds back into the supply, making it grow exponentially.
But isn't this just hindsight tautology? How would you know ahead of time how much greed is too much?

For example, I've been predicting the financial demise of Facebook for over a decade now (amongst other things for being too greedy), but Zuck's still doing well enough. Even if Meta is declining now, it still might have been rational for him to be so greedy over the past decade.

And what do you think capitalism is all about?
Gpt’s and the various apps that apply them
this is my thinking too. Who's going to learn coding if all basic needs are served buy the chatbot? What would be the incentive to put in the work?
I feel the same about future artists, sadly. If a computer can paint, then maybe no one is going to bother to learn how to paint.