[dgrin91]

The counterpoint here is that if you view abortion as murder (as many people in US do) then the utilitarian tradeoff is obviously balanced in the wrong direction. Whats worse, 600k murders (via abortion) or tens of thousands of general crimes (including regular murder, but mostly not murder such as burglary)?

Again, this is if you start with the assumption that abortion is wrong/murder.

[jleyank]

Is a miscarriage murder under this definition? Makes doing anything strenuous or athletic for women if it is.

[threatofrain]

Going further, if abortion is murder then doctors and pharmacists are part of a giant assembly line of baby murder and ought receive extreme penalty, such as the death sentence where available.

[zamnos]

The article was already flagged, so I'll bite.

> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

-14th Amendment, United States Constitution.

Whatever you think about fetuses, they haven't been born yet.

A fun party trick is to ask the gathered crowd if they'd prefer that abortion were legal, but unnaturalized residents have no rights, or that abortion isn't legal but all rights are extended to non-citizens.