[mr_ndrsn]

Zero, which is why we're not using k8s on-prem. Our team is already handling the on-prem hardware/software environment, and this will consolidate our apps on a single platform methodology, allowing us to keep the same team size. Using mrsk allows us reduce the complexity of our servers, moving that into the Dockerfile.

If we had gone down the k8s on-prem rabbit-hole, I suspect we would have required more folks to manage those components and complexity.

[llama052]

I don't understand how having k8s means you need significantly more people.

It's just concepts put into a strict system. Now you're just shimming the same concepts with less supported hacks. Now you have to train your team on less used technology that isn't transferable to other roles. Sounds like technical debt to me.

[gtirloni]

We're arguing about generic approaches and the 37Signals folks are making specific decisions about their very specific situation (their app, their staff having time or not, their budget, etc).

To be fair, they don't seem to be saying their strategy is for everybody but the audience thinks so? I think we're talking past each other, tbh.

[Melingo]

For me it's still the 'nor getting what issue they had with k8s'.

And I would love to spend a few days with there team to understand it.