[Ygg2]

> Things weren't better, you were just younger.

Games weren't made to be cash grabs that will be edited in post.

Say what you want about games in 2000 but people draining all their savings on a game was THE news, not just another mobile/gacha game.

And if game didn't ship fully done it got panned. Today they get score based on number of dinners writer was on

[Arkhaine_kupo]

> Games weren't made to be cash grabs that will be edited in post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsiman_(video_game)

> And if game didn't ship fully done it got panned.

Bethesda is literally one of the most revered game companies and their bugs are as iconoic as their questlines

[Ygg2]

You're not addressing my point, sure Pepsiman was shit, but it didn't bankrot you or cause addictive behaviors. There were some Korean MMOs and stuff, but it wasn't omnipresent.

> Bethesda is literally one of the most revered game companies and their bugs are as iconoic as their questlines

*Despite their bugs. And even Morrowind caused uproar when it corrupted your saves and what not.

[Arkhaine_kupo]

> it didn't bankrot you or cause addictive behaviors.

Considering the guy above was talking about RE remakes and Lord of the rings, I don't think he cares about gacha games as they are not triple A.

And sure those are bad, awful but they are hardly videogames. They are rebranded fruit machines. King the dumb company behind candy crush etc has more psychologists than programmers in their office to help people get addicted.

I do not think that is a problem of the gaming industry as entertainment, because it is not a videogame, its a Skinner Machine with a couple mini games to get the conditioning going.

> And even Morrowind caused uproar when it corrupted your saves and what not.

But it did not affect their scores, reputation or sales. Same as cyberpunk 2077 or probably Starfield later this year.

[Ygg2]

> I do not think that is a problem of the gaming industry as entertainment, because it is not a videogame, its a Skinner Machine with a couple mini games to get the conditioning going.

Gacha mechanics and its ilk are everywhere, from Battlefield to Diablo to Overwatch, etc. Most egregious example probably being Genshin Impact.

> But it did not affect their scores, reputation or sales. Same as cyberpunk 2077

Sure because rest of the game was amazing, but not even CP2077 escaped reviewers wrath. It got panned for poor perf and its user score on metacritic is justifiably low.

[Arkhaine_kupo]

> Most egregious example probably being Genshin Impact.

Genshing is LITERALLY a gacha, is not that it has mechanics, its the main loop of engagement. The gameplay loop is just a breath of the wild lite

> but not even CP2077 escaped reviewers wrath.

You are kinda proving the opposite to your previous point. You said back in the day reviewers would not excuse poor performance, and now they do. Instead you admitted CP2077 got its reviews affected by performance but Morrowind didn't

[Ygg2]

> Genshing is LITERALLY a gacha,

It's not from what I understand. Main loop is the Explore -> Fight -> Unlock. Only unlock part is Gacha.

> You are kinda proving the opposite to your previous point.

You didn't read what I wrote.

> And if game didn't ship fully done it got panned. Today they get score based on number of dinners writer was on

CP didn't invest in enough dinners, people were shitting on lack of true trans inclusion before it released.

And now those reviews matter very little because CP2077 got patched into a usable state.

What saved CD Project Red was huge preorder catalog. They were profitable before CP 2077 was released.

[GrinningFool]

> Games weren't made to be cash grabs that will be edited in post.

Arcade games were literal cash grabs, dating back to the 70s. Insert coin to continue.

[Ygg2]

Sure, but even those weren't this badly made at professional level and were satisfied with pennies vs 320000 USD to complete.