[goldenManatee]

Where is the line between porn and art, and how would it remain a consistently enforceable standard? Since early times, through the Greeks to now, art celebrates nudity and sometimes depicts static (because earlier civilizations had no video) representations of sex and violence mixing in order to tell a story (uhh … Persephone and Hades, much? or Zeus turning into a thousand animals to lure women then rape them). Where do you draw the line; why draw it “there” as opposed to anywhere else; by what right is it to suppress, in the process, others’ definition of where to draw said line?

[antris]

The people who want to ban porn also want to extinguish free culture. So I would say this is a feature, not a bug.

[kergonath]

> Where is the line between porn and art

Why would there need to be a line? Something can be porn or art, or both. There is no conflict. Anything done between two consenting adults should be completely un-controversial.

> Where do you draw the line; why draw it “there” as opposed to anywhere else; by what right is it to suppress, in the process, others’ definition of where to draw said line?

What is the point in having a line? If it’s just to decide what can be shown in public and what cannot, then I don’t see why more or less explicit nudes would be any worse than the various depictions of killings and torture we all seem to be comfortable with for some reason.

The sooner we grow up and can go past the kindergarten “OMG we can see her nipple” stage, the better.

[TheSpiceIsLife]

> two consenting adults

Why stop at two?

[kergonath]

Fair enough.

[barrysteve]

The line is where it empirically stops hurting the protected class. We don't do empirical evidence based policy on social stuff anymore (science in social politica is mostly rhetoric lately), so it's pointless for me to type this out, but that is the answer to establishing a boundary.

When teenagers and young adults stop measurably falling off their path in life (chosen according to their own wishes) then we can say that age is the right age for teenagers to be allowed to opt-in to porn.

This is not to condemn the average joe who is unaffected by porn, but to distance the innocent from getting addicted.

Alcohol, cars, guns and literal sex all have minimum ages. The controversy around porn is more rabid and faith-based than logical.

The government doesnt need any new tools to do it, too. Just legally require porn providers to accept a one-off credit card verification payment or 2factor phone auth or a gift card, to establish that the user is old enough to do those basic tasks. If the teenager uses a parents card or phone, the parent will find out eventually and it will solve itself.

But we all know the gov will try to implement more control than that. And that will kill the idea dead, before it begins.