[t344344]

I hate PI because its hardware is just junk. Cheap low end stuff designed for consumer electronics like TVs!

Devops like to use Intel NIC, ECC memory only. But somehow Pi junk gets pass because it is "open-source" or what.

Great, we will run this mission critical deployment from cheap SD CARD!!!!!

[sircastor]

The funny thing about hardware and non-nerds/non-EEs/etc. is that most people don't care if the components are "junk". They care if they can make their project work on it. They care how much time it takes from beginning to end. They care how easy it is to get help when something doesn't make sense.

It's small, it's inexpensive, it gets the job done.

[t344344]

It does not get the job done.

Last problem I had with Pi: my keyboard did not work for some reason. Guess what, Pi has shitty USB 1.1 implementation (USB 2.0 is different stack), on top of that it does not give enough power to connected devices. With normal computers I had similar problems in 2003!!!

For serious use it is like Gentoo. You have to learn about its boot process, how it bootstraps from video memory.... Or how USBC power delivery is not really important (remember Pi4 initial batches?)...

It only makes sense if you are deploying embedded devices on midscale (~100 devices). For hobby projects it is a nonse. You have to learn completely new HW platform just to read sensor data...? Haha

[quake]

Your arguments are almost identical to the ones greybeard embedded devs have against the Arduino. Yeah, it's expensive, uses an outdated micro (at least the AVR-based Arduinos), but it's effective because of its popularity. Basically a flywheel effect. Doesn't have to be good or optimal, just has to be flexible and have a big community.

I doubt anyone is using an off the shelf Pi with SD card for an actual safety critical deployment and expect to get it certified. There are options like the Revolution Pi which is half PLC and uses the Pi's Broadcom SOC for non-safety calculations. Some even support CODESYS.

I agree that most ARM embedded Linux SOC's can be absolute dumpster fires when it comes to peripheral documentation and poorly maintained device trees (looking at you, Texas Instruments!!!) but that's nothing new in embedded dev. Learning how each manufacturer/platform do hardware peripherals is half the battle.

So I agree that the pi isn't always the best device for an application. Cost and power savings on an ESP32, better processing on your old laptop-turned-server, and so on. But the Pi does have excellent documentation, and was lucky enough to gain enough traction to create an ecosystem that reduces friction to just get something running for beginners, which is literally its original design intention.

[petsfed]

I once encountered a hydroponic nutrient dosing system that was, no shit, a RPi 3+ with a custom HAT for the electrochemistry and actuation. These were sold to businesses running container farms and the like.

At the end of the day, it seemed like the manufacturer had the (good) idea to automate the dosing, but thought that all the standard industrial automation tactics (PLCs, ladder logic, HMIs, etc) were somehow overkill for the application.

Which meant that the end users had to write all the software to make it work with a standard industrial automation system anyway. It was super annoying.

[AlotOfReading]

Every rpi (ever?) has supported the 100mA USB 1.1 output limit. All except one have additionally supported the 2.0 500mA limit, and most of those support 1000/1200mA with a boot config parameter at most, assuming your power supply is adequate.

I'm sorry you had issues, but these are just normal embedded systems problems. I totally get if that's not what you want to deal with, but you should really consider a different platform like a NUC.

[yamtaddle]

Sure, running off the SD card sucks, but "flash the card on another computer, boot straight to your installed OS" is the nicest OS installation experience I've ever had.

[ahepp]

And it gives users an easy way to set up an SSH key and wifi configuration as well

[LegitShady]

if anything you're doing can be described as mission critical there was never a real argument for using raspberry pi unless there's no consequences to losing the mission, in which case what does mission critical really mean?