[wkat4242]

Those people were not killed by Karl Marx' ideology. It was perverted by dictatorships using it as a banner but it didn't inspire their atrocities. Just like the German Democratic Republic wasn't really democratic at all.

Karl Marx' ideology never promoted hate unlike Nazi ideology.

[Krisando]

You should probably read Karls works and his successors works like:

- The Motorcycle Diaries

- The Jewish Question

- Das Kapital

These were written within ideological contexts and contain things that we would consider hate speech today. Very much perpetuating ideas like:

- lazy Mexcians

- Jewish world conspiracy

- Black people (he would call them the n-word) being closer to the "animal kingdom" than man.

And they did all of these in ideological constructs.

[CrackerNews]

The difference is that Marx was racist in addressing the racism of his time, but he proposed that communism would be the solution. This solution is different from the Final Solution in that communism would remove the elements he was racist against through economic pressure as opposed to ghettoization and genocide.

For the Jewish Question, he shared some antisemitic views towards Judaism with his peers. The difference is that he advocated for their incorporation into society as opposed to being second class citizens. He believed that the transition from capitalism into communism would reform Judaism away from what they were antisemitic about.

[cbeach]

Karl Marx’s ideology promoted the violent seizure of assets from the productive class in a revolution to install communism.

The ideology absolutely promoted dictatorship and totalitarianism. There’s no alternative system that can sustain communism, given how opposed it is to basic human nature.

[CrackerNews]

That begs the question of what is basic human nature. We lived through much more tyrannical systems that were assumed to be as God intended. This was what led to violence of democrats and republicans against monarchs.

There is a kernel of truth in that communism could not have existed so far, which is why communist states have went for a transitory approach. They could not leap to communism but they tried to work towards it and failed in many places.

[cbeach]

It is basic human nature to want to work for the benefit of your own family, and to expect that if you work harder, you will be rewarded proportionally.

Marxism flies in the face of this premise.

[lucozade]

Marx explicitly advocated for revolutionary terror with the intent to eradicate whole classes of people. That's quite hate-y.

The fact that professed followers of Marx riffed somewhat on his themes doesn't make his ideology any fluffier.

[CrackerNews]

There are those who advocate for revolutionary violence, and there are those who advocate for reformist change.

[lucozade]

Sure, and Marx advocated for revolutionary violence.

Now, I'm pretty sure he was thinking more Paris Commune than Killing Fields but to argue that Marx was a just reformist is ahistoric.

And sure, there are people who profess to being marxist who don't believe in revolutionary violence as there are those that went well beyond his direct manifesto. But Marx was pretty clear where he stood and was happy to put it in writing.