[TheSpiceIsLife]

It's unlikely we can virtue-signal our way out of any problem.

If something costs more, that's a good proxy for that product being more energy-intensive. And where thst isn't the case, the higher cost is likely lining someone's pocket, who will then go on to consume more, thereby generating more pollution.

[hombre_fatal]

What’s your definition of virtue signaling here that doesn’t just cash out into someone having different ethical concerns than you?

[DoreenMichele]

If something costs more, that's a good proxy for that product being more energy-intensive.

New products that come from new tech always cost more and early adopters tend to be people with money to spare. Unless you can come up with a source showing the higher energy usage -- one with a comprehensive lifetime comparison, not cherry picked -- this is a baseless comment.

[amusedcyclist]

Yeah we can also ban factory farming, like we ban murder.

[planter]

The correct definition of murder is as such:

> Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse [...]

Animals are not humans, killing an animal is not a murder. Attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions to animals is called anthropomorphism.

[amanaplanacanal]

I mostly agree with you. But it seems clear that mammals do have a lot of the same emotions humans do, as those emotions evolved long before humans took the stage. We just inherited them from our earlier ancestors.

[socraticmethod]

That's not the full definition of murder. Here's the rest:

- 1: to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice

- 2: to slaughter wantonly : SLAY

- 3a: to put an end to

- 3b: TEASE, TORMENT

- 3c: MUTILATE, MANGLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko

Watch Dominion and tell us these animals are not being mutilated, mangled, tormented, slaughtered and murdered.

Animals do not want to die. The will ALL naturally cry, scream, run, fight and generally do anything possible to avoid getting killed. Killing them is murder. Discrimination or unjustified treatment of animals based on an individual's species membership is called Speciesism. The belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value or are the central entity in the universe is called Anthropocentrism.