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by EngManagerIsMe 1183 days ago
I always preferred the moniker "clean meat" over "lab grown" or "cultivated meat". It's the same material as meat, but without the ethical questions surrounding the factory production of meat.
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Eh, it can go both ways. I would consider the term "clean meat" to refer to meat grown simply, meaning naturally, so quite opposite to your intention with "clean".

I understand what you're getting at, but the message seems less about describing the product in question and more about assigning a virtue to it. That can be great for marketing towards specific crowds, but I think we should aim for a factual, neutral term to describe it.

I recently got grossed out enough to give up sushi after watching a video of workers using tweezers to deworm the meat and learning that it's common in all sushi restaurants to have to do that.

Between that and having several friends overseas who ate "natural" pork and now have intramuscular larvae for life, I'd agree that lab grown meat almost certainly sounds a lot cleaner.

Maybe clean as in it comes from a source that didn’t have piss, guts, feces, and pathogens inside it.
Sure, that's another viable interpretation for "clean". But the GP was pretty clear about what they meant, and it wasn't this. All the more reason to find a term that represents it factually and clearly, without being an attempt at swaying people's opinions.
The name aside. Diamond and cole are the same material too, the structure is the important thing. And I don't think that this artificial meat will ever form into a nice textured steak with the same taste and consistency. Thats the reason I only see two possible ways for this product. 1) Be a high priced meat replacement for people that years ago eaten the last piece of meat 2) Be a very low priced low quality meat replacement that is used instead of real meat for price reduction

I hope 2) will never happen.

I hope both will happen. What's your point? Poor people are getting less texture in the meat they can't otherwise afford? There are a lot of products where texture doesn't matter.

And it's an invalid assumption that cultured meat won't ever have the same or similar structure. They'll figure out how to grow connective tissue, even blood vessels.

I assume you do because you want to confuse people. There's nothing "clean" about artificially grown meat.

"Lab-grown" is a neutral term which lets non-vegans know they should avoid it.

I'm sick of the intentional confusion vegan products cause. Regulators need to come down on this hard.

There is no clean meat at the scale at which we consume it. Unless you buy it from a old school small farm at the end of your street it varies from very very bad to very bad
What makes it "clean" vs animal grown meat?
I think he assumes the factory production aspects of how fetal bovine serum is collected taints the karma of lab grown meat.

But that is indeed an entirely sentimental or spiritual concept. FBS doesn't contribute to the suffering of animals because it is a side product that is actually discarded most of the time. At worst, buying FBS means making the main production chain slightly more profitable.

In any case, I don't believe "clean meat" means less animal suffering than "cultured meat". "Clean meat" is just as unscaleable as cultured meat (currently) because of demands on labor and land. You still need to kill an animal long before its natural death, and you raise that animal in the first place to kill it. So I don't follow that particular argument.