[grondo4]

Is that a joke?

Yes you are allowed to read closed-source, proprietary code and become a better programmer for it.

I've decompiled games to learn how they structure their code to improve the structure of games that I program. I had no right to that code and I used it to become a better programmer just like AI do.

That's not copyright infringement. You have a right to stop me from using your code, not learning from it.

[Alchemista]

This is a pretty extreme stance. There is a fine line between "learning from" proprietary code and outright stealing some of the key insights and IP. Sometimes it takes a very difficult conceptual leap to solve some of the more difficult computer science and math problems. "Learning" (aka stealing) someone's solution is very problematic and will get you sued if you are not careful.

[skeaker]

If you think that's extreme, wait until you hear my stance that code shouldn't be something that you can own (and can therefore "steal") to begin with.

[Dalewyn]

Now granted most EULAs and Terms of Service documents aren't legally enforced, most software licenses explicitly prohibit decompiling or otherwise disassembling binaries.

So, yes: They have a right to stop you from "learning" from their code. If you want that right, see if they're willing to sell that right to you.

[grondo4]

> They have a right to stop you from "learning" from their code.

They absolutely do not, and as pedantic as it may be I think it's very important that you and everyone else in this thread know what their rights are.

If you sign a contract / EULA that says you cannot decompile someone's code than yes you are liable for any damages promised in that contract for violating it.

But who says that I ever signed a EULA for the games I decompiled? Who says I didn't find a copy on a hard drive I bought at a yard sale or someone sent me the decompiled binary themselves?

Those people may have violated the contract but I did not.

There is no law preventing you from learning from code, art, film or any other copyrighted media. Nor is there any law (or should there be any law IMO) that stops an AI from learning from copyrighted media.

Learning from each other regardless of intellectual property law is how the human race advances itself. The fact that we've managed to that automate human progress is incredible, and it's very good that our laws are the way they are that we can allow that to happen.