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by d136o 1181 days ago
I don’t know if wiping out bond holders is good… aren’t some of these rolled up into fixed income investments by people who are retired or close to retirement?
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Shh you'll ruin the moment.

Yes there is a huge appetite for fixed income products, especially when the credit quality is initially strong or at the moment when the credit is so-so but the yield is just right.

These end up in your pension, your mutual fund and so on even if you don't touch the product directly.

Granny really shouldn’t be buying esoteric bonds. And if her adviser is pitching them to her, then he’s at fault.
But won't take responsibility, and no government will hold him accountable.

Granny will be shit out of luck.

> But won't take responsibility, and no government will hold him accountable

In Europe we have regulations for this, and they are definitely held accountable, tho not very often.

For example in the early '00s some Italian banks were held responsible for suggesting investment in argentine bonds as "safe" to unrefined clientele.

At a minimum the Mifid questionnaire will restrict you from buying securities you do not understand, and any court will trivially be able to see if your financial advisor filled it in for you.

Well atleast the CS workers still get their bonuses.
I really resent the implication that we have to be hesitant about wiping out investors because some of them might be retirees. It feels like capitalism using them as human shields, especially since these fixed-income products were forced on us, replacing guaranteed-benefit pensions.
Flat out they shouldn't have owned these if they wanted a safe investment. US Treasuries and similar would have been a better choice.