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by jfowief 1191 days ago
Everyone is subject to the whims of society. Traditional societies were never about the goal of "oppressing women", but people fighting for survival. Of course women have the responsibility of bearing children, just as men have responsibilities of providing and going to war etc.

If women have gained more "agency" to reject their responsibilities to society, but men still have many traditional responsibilities, what does that say about the morals and ethics of your society? It's not positive, and you should examine it as a possible cause of this low fertility rate.
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lotsofpulp 1191 days ago
Right, so presumably, a society where there is no expectation of war and needing to pump out bodies to go to war would be a happier society.

Do women have a “responsibility” to birth x number of babies so people can have access to cheaper labor?

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jfowief 1191 days ago
> Right, so presumably, a society where there is no expectation of war and needing to pump out bodies to go to war would be a happier society.

A society not prepared to fight for its existence will not survive. It's the men willing to go to war that keep it alive.

> Do women have a “responsibility” to birth x number of babies so people can have access to cheaper labor?

Women have a natural instinct to want and take care of children. By bringing this out in a healthy society, instead of convincing them they're "oppressed" and trying to make them go against their nature, the problem solves itself.

It's quite amazing that anyone could believe women were oppressed by men literally spending their lives protecting and providing for women. Responsibilities for thee but not for me

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lotsofpulp 1191 days ago
>A society not prepared to fight for its existence will not survive. It's the men willing to go to war that keep it alive.

Sure, but I was only responding to tjs8rj's claim about a "happy" society, not one which necessarily outlives all the others.

>Women have a natural instinct to want and take care of children.

>It's quite amazing that anyone could believe women were oppressed by men literally spending their lives protecting and providing for women.

These are enormous claims that require enormous evidence, not to mention that individuals were and are impacted very differently by different members of society.

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