[bartread]

> > "[whatabout cyclists who break the law]"

Your attempt to classify my post as whataboutism is in incredibly poor faith.

I'm very pro-cycling, but it would be foolish to ignore the very real and observable safety concerns that occur because of factors such as poor behaviour (and also, although I didn't mention them originally, issues like infrastructure and quality of road surfaces).

You cannot simply assume that within a particular context or location that more peope cycling equates to greater safety. There are too many other factors at play, and those need to be addressed in order to ensure that cycling is a safer option for everybody.

[iso1631]

> I'm very pro-cycling, but it would be foolish to ignore the very real and observable safety concerns that occur because of factors such as poor behaviour

You'll no doubt be able to point to the statistics that back up these very real safety concerns.

You could start with the number of KSI caused by cyclists compared with motor vehicles

[zimpenfish]

> You could start with the number of KSI caused by cyclists compared with motor vehicles

Cyclist involved KSIs, 2013-2020: 1123 (30 + 1093)

All road KSIs, 2020: 24989 (1460 + 23529) (and this was a quieter than normal year on the roads)

I make that a factor of 8 * (24989 / 1123) or 178x difference.