[Waterluvian]

> pay that price for a great society in return

You’re not just paying in your own freedoms. You’re paying in the freedoms of others, like the Muslims that the Chinese government have decided aren’t compatible with the “great society” that you seek.

[thefounder]

There are worse places for muslims than China as far as human rights are concerned. I feel the whole muslim issue in China is just a pretext. Have we forgot about Saudi Arabia or whatever mess is left in Afghanistan?

[Waterluvian]

Last week my six year old tried to justify his bad behaviour because his little brother did something worse. I didn’t buy it, and I don’t here either.

[thefounder]

Well, if you would keep signaling your six year old and ignore the "deeds" of his little brother I would say you are biased and have something against your six years old. Also what made you punish the bad behaviour all of a sudden?

It's not like China was a beacon of human rights until "now". I don't think SA is really a little brother either. They still behead people in public squares. The whole "human rights" issue in China is really just a pretext and use of U.S soft power to isolate China. But "everyone" know that at stake is really the economic and millitary rivality. The U.S couldn't really care less about the muslims in China. Just look how much it cares about women in Afghanistan. Let's stop pretending we are little children. China is starting to influence our way of life and we should push against that but I just hate the B.S pretexts. It feels like propaganda and we hate propaganda, don't we?

[claytongulick]

I'm trying to understand the point you're making.

Are you making the argument that because there are things that are possibly worse, we should ignore the bad?

[thefounder]

I'm just saying that it's a pretext. Like China would start saying the world should stop trading with the U.S until the U.S fixes the mess it did in Iraq(i.e war reparations).