[rr808]

> The problem here is that this whole angle on human life seems to have forgotten that efficiency, productivity, etc are all there to help us find more time to live in a world where those things don't matter. To have leisure.

This is patently untrue. People in rich countries work the same or more than people in poor countries. Most people working full time could live perfectly well on a tenth their wage. Its a human condition that people want more.

[hanoz]

> Most people working full time could live perfectly well on a tenth their wage.

Now that is patently untrue. For most people 10% wouldn't come close to paying the rent alone.

[rr808]

I didn't say they would be able to live in the same space, they'd have to share with family, and/or cram into one room and/or live in a poorly built house, like people in poorer countries do, and we did 150 years ago.

[hanoz]

I take you point, but even then it wouldn't be enough.

[golergka]

People in rich countries work at much more fulfilling and enjoyable jobs. Most of my white collar friends, both in it and outside are passionate about what they do.