[ptmx]

I played chess against ChatGPT4 a few days ago without any special prompt engineering, and it played at what I would estimate to be a ~1500-1700 level without making any illegal moves in a 49 move game.

Up to 10 or 15 moves, sure, we're well within common openings that could be regurgitated. By the time we're at move 20+, and especially 30+ and 40+, these are completely unique positions that haven't ever been reached before. I'd expect many more illegal moves just based on predicting sequences, though it's also possible I got "lucky" in my one game against ChatGPT and that it typically makes more errors than that.

Of course, all positions have _some_ structural similarity or patterns compared to past positions, otherwise how would an LLM ever learn them? The nature of ChatGPT's understanding has to be different from the nature of a human's understanding, but that's more of a philosophical or semantic distinction. To me, it's still fascinating that by "just" learning from millions of PGNs, ChatGPT builds up a model of chess rules and strategy that's good enough to play at a club level.

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

I'd be interested in seeing this game, if you saved it?

[ptmx]

I uploaded the PGN to lichess: https://lichess.org/rzSriO6I#97

After reviewing the chat history I actually have to issue a correction here, because there were two moves where ChatGPT played illegally:

1. ChatGPT tried to play 32. ... Nc5, despite there being a pawn on c5

2. ChatGPT tried to play 42. ... Kxe6, despite my king being on d5

It corrected itself after I questioned whether the previous move was legal.

I was pretty floored that it managed to play a coherent game at all, so evidently I forgot about the few missteps it made. Much like ChatGPT itself, it turns out I'm not an entirely reliable narrator!

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

Thanks! Interesting game.

Qxd7 early on was puzzling but has been played in a handful of master games and it played a consistent setup after that with b5 Bb7. Which I imagine was also done in those master games. But interesting that it went for a sideline like that.

It played remarkably well although a bit lacking in plan. Then cratered in the endgame.

Bxd5 was strategically absurd. fxg4 is tactically absurd. Interestingly they both follow the pattern: Piece goes to square -> takes on that square.

This is of course an extremely common pattern, so again tentatively pointing towards predicting likely sequences of moves.

Ke7 was also a mistake but a somewhat unusual tactic with Re2 and f5 is forced but after en passant the knight is pinned. This tactic does appear in some e4 e5 openings though. But then the rook is on e1 and the king never moved or if it did, usually to e8, not e7. Possibly suggesting that it has blind spots for tactics when they don't appear on the usual squares?

Fascinating stuff.

[nwienert]

Me too, I couldn't get it to reliably go past move 15 without numerous errors. In my mind it's closer to 150 ELO than 1300, so I'd be happy to be proven wrong.