[komali2]

I don't really know what's going on in Italy in this case but when I met with communists there on a trip my impression is that the State provides not nearly enough labor protections. Sure it'd be nice if the state did that, I don't disagree, but what we've seen historically is that the most you can expect from a government is below the dirt bare minimum - such as a child labor law... Banning child labor for those under 8. Sorry, 12 if it's mine labor. So whatever you're getting from the government probably still isn't even close to what's possible given the level of industrial development and possible surplus.

Anyway in the usa the population at large is utterly allergic to workers rights laws. The most rational way in the usa to ensure better labor rights is to form a Union.

[cowl]

Well Ofcourse if you talk to communists "it's not enough". In Italy it's practically imposible for a company to fire people unless they have very good reasons too. The court system works very well. These protections are so strong that have become detrimental to the workers. For example let's say that Company X has a new project and wants to build something that will take 2 years. Noone in Italy will Hire anymore employees for this because after two years you can't downsize after the bulk of the work is donee. What 90% will do in these cases is hire external consultants, pay even 10 times more than the cost of the emplyees, just because there is no way you can have a Dynamic workforce. So a lot of people are employed in these Body-Rental Companies instead of working directly for the company that needs them and get paid better without the being often the 3rd or 4th link in the chain.

For the Communists, I come from an ex-Communist country. Me and my children are still suffering from those conseguences and the communists in Italy tell me stories how they watched us in the television from their villas and Envied us..., while our govenment gave contributions to the Italian Comunist party and we the people had the moto "We will eat grass if we have to". that's the Disconnect they live in.