[MrOwnPut]

Or you don't understand the needs or the technology because of your stubbornness and ignorance.

That's why I look down upon engineers with your mindset. I won't generalize all backend engineers as you did to frontend though.

I've met many who get it but of course prefer the peacefulness of controlling the execution environment and the limited state of a server.

Btw imo backend is boring because the reasons above, frontend has a lot more going on. As a full stack engineer I'd say frontend is much much harder, and that's why you have all the tech trying to make it easier to scale and maintain. That's not to say backend doesn't have it's own difficulties. It all depends what you are making too. A website is easy, a complex app is much more difficult.

[kingboss]

I didn't say I look down upon frontend devs. I said that because of the way frontend seems to be chasing trends a lot of people look down on you. Maybe I should have said "That is why you get looked down upon by a lot of people".

Why are you assuming I am a backend dev? In fact why do you even assume I do web dev? You do know that there are many more areas where programming is needed, right?

[MrOwnPut]

Do you have the same judgement you invented or would you like to mind read other's opinions and generalize groups of people some more?

How I took that is you just don't want to commit to your own statements, so you speak through these "others"...

And backend isn't just web. I was using a catch-all to call out how, misinformed, ignorant, and offensive your statement was.

[kingboss]

The reason you think frontend is more complicated is because of historically terrible terrible decisions made. Frontend is made complex because of the initial idiots developing it.

I didn't make anything up. I just noticed that frontend devs were being looked down upon when talking to some devs and I investigated further. It seems that most frontend devs are just what is usually called "code monkeys" who just fling shit until it works. No real understanding of math, algorithms, architecture and general good engineering principles. Which is also why usually frontend code looks like garbage. I am sure there are exceptions but for the most part frontend stuff doesn't get the best and brightest people working on it. Because it's considered boring and uninteresting. Personally I don't care. Web dev in general seems to be complete and utter trash and I work on things that are on a completely different plane of complexity (as in if things go wrong people die). It's just funny that you still cling on to the idea that frontend is some sort of holy grail of engineering and absolute complexity.