[sehugg]

Zubrin is talking about the deaths in Apollo I, Space Shuttle, etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_acc...).

His point is exactly that, get them into space already. Or rather, give them a mission that is worth risking their life.

[jessriedel]

(We posted at the same time.) No, he's just talking about Shuttle programs. He considers the Apollo programs to be real exploration.