[lamontcg]

> Whatever happened to presuming innocence?

private individuals can presume whatever they want to presume.

it is only the state that has to presume your innocence.

[jolmg]

I'm not saying private individuals have an obligation to presume innocence. I'm saying it's the courteous thing to do. It makes sense to apply the same principle. Better to assume a guilty man innocent, than an innocent man guilty. It's not like there's any risk in any of us doing that in this case.

[lamontcg]

> Better to assume a guilty man innocent

that's how you get exploited by sociopaths in your personal life.