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by convexfunction 1191 days ago
Love it. Execute the scam, immediately send the money back (or better, somehow don't accept it in the first place) and tell them what happened with a link to an informative webpage. Might even be self-sustaining if you solicit donations from the victims concurrently with revealing the fake scam (though, uh, perhaps they'd be unusually wary about giving any amount of money right then and there to some organization they'd never heard of before).

ChatGPT-4 throws some cold water on the idea, naturally, though I still think there's something there:

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me:

i have an idea for a non-profit foundation that would leverage LLMs to perform "online scam pentesting" at scale, as a public service. basically, we would execute pretend online scams very similar to real online scams that people are victimized by (fake invoices, romance scams, etc), but immediately send the money back if the pseudo-victim falls for it along with a brief explanation of what happened and our foundation's mission, along with a link to an informative webpage with helpful resources on online scams. (if the victim ignores the pseduo-scam, we'd perhaps wait a day and then followup with the same info.)

this seems to me like it'd be potentially legally fraught, though i'm not sure exactly how, or if there's any relevant legal precedent on the topic. what do you think?

ChatGPT:

I am not a lawyer, but I can provide some general thoughts on the potential legal challenges associated with your idea. It's important to consult with a legal professional for advice tailored to your specific situation and jurisdiction.

Consent: Executing pretend online scams without the consent of the individuals involved could potentially be a legal issue. Consent might be difficult to obtain without revealing the purpose of the exercise, which could defeat the purpose of the "pentesting."

Privacy: Collecting, storing, and processing personal information might raise privacy concerns, especially if the information is sensitive. Different jurisdictions have different regulations, such as GDPR in the European Union and CCPA in California, which govern the collection and processing of personal data.

Fraud: Even though your intention is to educate and protect people from scams, the act of sending fake invoices or pretending to be someone else could potentially be considered fraudulent behavior. This could open up your organization to legal liabilities.

Unintended consequences: If someone experiences financial, emotional, or other harm as a result of your "pentesting," they might choose to take legal action against your organization.

Regulation of LLMs: Depending on the jurisdiction, there might be specific regulations governing the use of LLMs, especially for activities that can be perceived as deceptive.

Precedent: While there may not be direct legal precedents for this type of activity, similar cases involving penetration testing and ethical hacking might provide some guidance. However, those cases typically involve consent from the targeted organization, which is a key difference from your idea.

To minimize potential legal risks, you could consider alternative approaches to educating people about online scams. This could include creating awareness campaigns, providing educational resources, or partnering with organizations that share your mission to fight online scams. Regardless of the approach you choose, it's essential to consult with legal professionals to ensure compliance with relevant laws and regulations.

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Yeah, I think there would be a thin line to tread between being helpful and informative and being scammy. I would not want to actually go through with the scam and soliciting donations as an unknown orginisation seems spammy/scammy. I think it would probably be better to charge people to attempt to scam people they think may be vulnerable or themselves.