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by aaroninsf 1191 days ago
I am not so sure,

there seems to be accumulating evidence that "finding the optimal solutions" means (requires) building a world model. Whether it's consistent with ground truth probably depends on what you mean by ground truth.

Given the hypothesis that the optimal solution for deep learning presented with a given training set, is to represent (simulate) the formal systemic relationships that generated that set, by "modeling" such relationships (or discovering non-lossy optimized simplifications),

I believe an implicit corollary, that the fidelity of simulation is only bounded by the information in the original data.

Prediction: a big enough network, well enough trained, is capable of simulating with arbitrary fidelity, an arbitrarily complex system, to the point that lack of fidelity hits a noise floor.

The testable bit of interest being whether such simulations predict novel states and outcomes (real world behavior) well enough.

I don't see why they shouldn't, but the X-factor would seem to be the resolution and comprehensiveness of our training data.

I can imagine toy domains like SHRDLU which are simple enough that we should be able to build large models well enough already to "model" them and tease this sort of speculation experimentally.

I hope (assume) this is already being done...

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> there seems to be accumulating evidence that "finding the optimal solutions" means (requires) building a world model.

Was this ever in doubt? This has been the case forever (even before "AI"), and I thought it was well-established. The fidelity of the model is the core problem. What "AI" is really providing is a shortcut that allows the creation of better models.

But no model can ever be perfect, because the value of them is that they're an abstraction. As the old truism goes, a perfect map of a terrain would necessarily be indistinguishable from the actual terrain.

But no model can ever be perfect, because the value of them is that they're an abstraction. As the old truism goes, a perfect map of a terrain would necessarily be indistinguishable from the actual terrain.

Not sure why but I find this incredibly insightful…

> Prediction: a big enough network, well enough trained, is capable of simulating with arbitrary fidelity, an arbitrarily complex system, to the point that lack of fidelity hits a noise floor.

That is a pretty good description of human brains/bodies. You could also say that quantum physics is where our noise floor might be.