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by michaelmrose 1192 days ago
I'm not interested in a forest of time wasting links when you can't attend to simple conversation. "I could give you similar polls for China, too. That is billions of people. Who cares what they think? " We established prior that polls are a poor way to determine truth. If sand is a poor way to slake your thirst then pouring more of it down your gullet wont improve your situation.

Let's be real and acknowledge that you are sympathetic to the country of your birth. Where other people see monsters rampaging through Ukraine, raping women and girls, shelling hospitals ,you see excuses. I'm sure after all the footage of the death camps came out some people of German heritage felt ashamed of their countrymen while others focused on making excuses for them.

Stop. Making. Excuses.

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You’re the one making excuses for the most warmongering country in the last 100 years, involved in 80% of all the wars in the entire world, with more spent on the military industry than the next 10 countries combined, and maintaining 800 bases around the world while the rest of the world has 30.

The links are to back up everything I am saying with MAINSTREAM SOURCES and quotes from the very people who admitted lied to you and thought of you as a “useful idiot”. If you don’t want to click them, simply don’t. The cognitive dissonance might be too great. The polls show what actual people think who actually live in these countries. The links are all to mainstream and experts. In any other area of life, backing up your points would be normal and praiseworthy. But you are so afraid of challenging the official propaganda narrative, that you won’t open yourself up to more information.

Let’s be clear. I don’t care about countries or flags nearly as much as I care about human beings, their lives, safety, a good economy etc.

I have seen this exact same game play out multiple times in proxy wars between USA and USSR. Countries got razed to the ground. Civilians died. I don’t want that for Ukrainians.

It’s true that I was born in Russia but that is not behind what I am saying. For example, when Russia went to war in Chechnya and razed their capital city TO THE GROUND, I unequivocally condemn Russia. Even though it is “an internal matter” according to the International Community, and Chechnya had “no right” to become independent of Russia, I consider that bullshit. I would much prefer a resolution that has less violence, less wanton destruction. And that typically involves letting the region have more autonomy and yes, even independence. My approach is CONSISTENT.

I have defended Iran, for instance, in the past against such simplistic analysis. I have praised Hezbollah and Iran and Russia for coming to the aid of Syria against rampaging Jihadists with Saudi money and US weaponry. I call things as they are and my commitment is to the truth.

North Korea had an agreement with Clinton, not to develop a nuke. GWB and the Republicans called it expensive “appeasement” and let the deal die on the vine. North Korea got a nuke. Who is better off? Is it more expensive to deal with them now? Yes. Same with Iran and JCPOA. It was foolishness to nix the best DIPLOMATIC solution that placed more inspectors than any country, ever. Now Iran will develop a nuke! Many nukes! And it’s all because of Trump and Bibi Netanyahu.

I am Jewish yet I can criticize Bibi and Trump. I am born in Russia yet I can criticize Russia, condemn their invasion and arming “moderate rebels” in the Donbas, etc. I live in USA and I do the same thing here. MY SIDE IS REGULAR PEOPLE AND MY SOLUTION IS DIPLOMACY. And most of the world outside your bubble agrees with me. Or at the very least 30% of the world does. So your narrative — just like all other sad attempts to coerce others into one official propaganda line — have failed and will fail. You can’t fool all the people all the time:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/us-threat-demo...

What diplomatic solution? Will you suggest we give the Russians part of Ukraine which isn't ours to give or shall we threaten the Ukrainians with starving them of help and demand that they capitulate? Either option leaves millions subjugated and subject to "filtration", torture,privation and makes further conflict inevitable. They have specifically laid claim to a much broader territory than merely Ukraine and 150M people live in Independent nations they claim as their vassals. Even if such an agreement were possible and moral there is no reason to believe they should keep it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

Read the the Minsk II agreement — all the provisions are super positive and constructive for everyone involved. It should have been implemented.

Zelensky said never planned to honor it, just like Hamas never planned to honor previous agreements with Israel… went badly for Gaza, and the Gulf states sending weapons to Gaza only made things worse for the actual people living there. Gaza wouldn’t have received sanctions and a blockade if Hamas had actually implemented previous agreements. And same here:

https://youtu.be/Mg4Jmnw3xQg

Zelensky ran on actually implementing peace with Russia and even started to, but the US and NATO and the Ukrainian far right very likely told him to cut it out, or else:

https://www.eurasiareview.com/19092022-is-zelensky-afraid-of...

You’re asking what the US could do? All we had to do is not get in the way. That’s all.

But we blocked all peace agreements. So much for “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yma0LxyVVs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JREMEqXSpGA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O10svZJ2Fps

USA and UK did everything possible to make sure Ukraine would NOT make peace with Russia, and also that the European countries wouldn’t either. Including very likely blowing up the Nordstream I and II pipelines dealing a major blow to German industry and European energy in the short term. Swedes know who did it but are keeping mum. No one dares criticize the big daddy in the room.

You are continuing your strategy of throwing chaff. I asked you what diplomatic solution can be put into play now. Neither side is looking for Minsk II at this juncture.