[beepbooptheory]

Honestly at this point I am just looking forward to us taking this stuff for granted. Its all very nice and useful, but I think my threshold for guffawing at it is smaller than most.

I know we still got some time left in the cycle, but I just want people to calm down and just start using it.

Yes, cool, you did xyz all at once, but what did you make with it? It's kinda akin to the whole "using rust" phenomenon. I only marginally care that you made it in rust, I care more about the thing itself you made!

I don't wanna come off sounding prescriptive, certainly stay in the hype world as long as you want, and I know there was a new bigger and better model that came out less than 12hrs ago. But just personally I am looking forward to the inevitable future where how you made the thing stops being as or more important as the what. Just miss the sense of inspiration you can gleam from someone else's work. Don't think AI will obsolete that ever, however much it can obsolete boilerplate code and even tricky discrete problems.

[tracerbulletx]

The model IS the thing that has been made, it is the impressive accomplishment. People are awed by that. The examples are just people testing the limits of its capabilities. It's like being present at the splitting of the atom and asking ya but what have you actually powered with it.

[beepbooptheory]

Yes, I get it! Its amazing, impressive, all those things.

Its just been like six months of this kind of discourse if you count DALLE and stable diffusion,

I'm personally just tired of the orbit around it. I want to see the amazing future it can make is all. The future that doesnt just contain itself!

I'm not saying this is normal for me to feel, maybe I'm wrong to not stop and smell the flowers more..

Insofar as this is a tool, I want to see the houses not a continuing parade of hammers. I want to see a nuclear reactor!

[sublinear]

> personally I am looking forward to the inevitable future where how you made the thing stops being as or more important as the what

Believe it or not, there's plenty of software out there written towards well-defined specifications that are non-negotiable and beyond the mere impression of some result. Implementation details absolutely matter. These specifications are of course subject to change, but not arbitrary. Due to this inflexibility and continuous review of best practices done by experienced humans who are consciously and deliberately creating these standards, I doubt the "how" will ever take a back seat to the "what". Pretty much all modern industry apart from gimmicky consumer gizmos are existentially about the "how". Taking humans out of the equation doesn't even make sense and any attempt to do so would be objectively worse in every way.

[beepbooptheory]

I think this is all true, but also I think very much missing my point here.. If only for the fact that you delineate a very good reason why this stuff is not going to be a one-to-one replacement for a lot of software work. Definitely agree there. We are very far if not ever divorced from the time where we can truly feel safe taking a nap behind the wheel. And yes, the 'how' work in that sense will always be primary.

I'm just addressing the hype itself, even conceding to it, and saying "ok, if its so great, what can we do with it?" That's the 'what'.