| > my meat comes from locally raised grass-fed-and-finished cows https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/humane-meat > It is actually much, much cheaper than buying meat from a supermarket Thanks to subsidies ... taxes taken also from vegans ;) > the massive, endless fields of soybeans "More than three-quarters (77%) of global soy is fed to livestock for meat and dairy production. Most of the rest is used for biofuels, industry or vegetable oils. Just 7% of soy is used directly for human food products such as tofu, soy milk, edamame beans, and tempeh" https://ourworldindata.org/soy > Fill the plains with cows. For thousands of years, they were filled with ruminants You need also predators ... and I don't mean weekend hunters. Without predators the ruminants tend to stay in one place and eat everything, till nothing than desert remains. See Sahara and near east. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/09596836166704... Blame it on the goats? Desertification in the Near East during the Holocene > there's a lot of money in producing highly processed foods and (soon) artificial meat Not yet, and artificial meat may not be here in next few decades (the scale is the problem). Soon is an overstretch. Artificial meat doesn't need to be highly processed ... in principle it's just plant protein (flour), starches, colorings (red beet etc.) and spices, maybe oils and vitamines. No magic, no complicated processes involving toxic chemicals etc (depends on the oils, tho). > holistic look what what we need to do ecologically and environmentally, which would include meat Meat is not necessary in those equations. We don't need to eat meat to live and prosper. We have composting and syntropic agriculture. We don't need animal inputs in agriculture. We can rewild areas used for animal farming (75% of 50% agriland of habitable land) and let the wildife rebound and manage the ecosystems. We can restore carbon sinks (double the forests) and stop anthropogenic wild life die offs. We don't have to rape the nature as we do now. For that the vegan movement is the logic outcome. >> fated to death from birth > Everything born into this world will die https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch |
> Thanks to subsidies ...
Incorrect.
> "More than three-quarters (77%) of global soy is fed to livestock for meat and dairy production. Most of the rest is used for biofuels, industry or vegetable oils.
I think it’s clear I oppose growing soy for animal feed. At any rate it’s misleading to exclude vegetable oil as something people directly eat, when nearly every American consumes a huge proportion of their daily calories from soy and canola oils.
> You need also predators ... and I don't mean weekend hunters. Without predators the ruminants tend to stay in one place
Yes, I specifically mentioned the need for rotational grazing, which builds up topsoil and stops desertification.
> We don't need to eat meat to live and prosper. We have composting and syntropic agriculture. We don't need animal inputs in agriculture. We can rewild areas used for animal farming (75% of 50% agriland of habitable land) and let the wildife rebound and manage the ecosystems.
I disagree. I and many other people need meat to prosper.
Ecosystems are not steady state without our inputs. And certainly nobody besides me is going to support the mass reintroduction of predators. What you’re describing is just a different kind of human managed ecology.
Also, properly managed livestock can absolutely be a carbon sink.
With your last video, you’re preaching to the choir. It’s still true we all die.