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Even the “safe” parts of the US aren’t all that safe.

Ontario which includes Canada’s largest city and 38% of the population had a lower average murder rate between 2016 and 2020 than every single US state but New Hampshire. Quebec population 8.5 million is significantly lower.

These statistics aren’t completely equivalent due to various factors, but it’s close enough for reasonable comparisons.

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You’re comparing a rate - murders over population, of a province with a vast rural population with few murders to US cities where murders are concentrated.

Edit: I'm an idiot and can't read.

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I am comparing states with provinces.

The most populous “city” in Wyoming is Cheyenne with 63,957 people. Ontario meanwhile includes Toronto population City:2,794,356, Metro Area: 6,202,225.

Yet, your more likely to be murdered in Wyoming.

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If you want to talk cities, Toronto has a 2x - 3x higher per capita murder rate than my city in the US, so like GP said, it depends where you are. Sure you can generalize over a whole country, but ultimately what will matter is a city by city comparison where you actually are. And I'm safer here than Toronto.

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I can’t find any independent US city with crime rates that low. If by city you mean some wealthier part of a larger metropolitan area then compare it to a similar portion of Toronto.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

A lot of those still seem to have lower violent crime rates than Toronto, Brampton, Mississuaga, and probably every other >200k population place around Toronto. So it's like I said, best to refrain from huge generalizations like Canada / USA when it doesn't matter for our specific circumstances.

Or, keep saying 'Even the “safe” parts of the US aren’t all that safe.' from an area that is more violent than mine in the US...

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Boise Idaho is the only independent city (not part of a larger metro area) on that page listed with a lower murder rate than Toronto.

However, it’s not consistent year to year going from a vastly higher 5 per 100k in 2007 then dropping to 0.5 in 2008, then back to 2.9 in 2009 etc. Looking at the most recent years it’s roughly comparable with Toronto, but the long term average is higher. Suggesting it’s a more dangerous city with higher annual variance in rates. https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Boise-City-Idaho.html

Violent crime statistics are based on different standards in different areas and are therefore much harder to actually compare than dead bodies. Even with dead bodies there’s some ambiguity for people who died after the fact from injuries and when murder is more ambiguous etc. Violent crime rates between states let alone countries face different definitions, levels of reporting, etc so you really need to closely examine both raw data and methodology to do a solid assessment. Simply looking at official data from a Wikipedia table etc is very misleading.