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by illiarian
1198 days ago
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> What do you mean by "user facing"? Can a user view the source code of a PHP generated page? How is PHP user facing? It literally produces the website that the user is looking at. Unlike, say, a microservice that retrieves some data. > The term client-side dev is never used in the industry. Never. If you paid attention to what I write you could've seen this: "Client-side dev has hijacked the term frontend to describe purely client-side development. ". This is what happened, and you are a great example of this. Two technologies produce user-facing UIs and sites by stringing together data from different services and presenting that to the user. "OMG PHP runs in the server this is backend unlike this JS code that literally does the same" |
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Your definition is meaningless because EVERYTHING in the pipeline literally produces everything "you are looking at" from the database to the css.
> Unlike, say, a micro-service that retrieves some data.
That data still produces part of "what you are looking at". What a useless phrase. Stick to industry definitions, yours do not make sense. And there is no language called "micro-service". I asked you to name the so called "non-user-facing" part of the web development stack.
> If you paid attention to what I write you could've seen this: "Client-side dev has hijacked the term frontend to describe purely client-side development. ".
So, old man yells at the cloud and uses his own idiosyncratic terms. What matters is not who hijacked what. What matters is that the industry has settled on the term "front-end developer". Complain as much as you want, but realize that train left the station. Go ahead and use your own terms that no one understands because "my 23 years experience", but that's exactly how people fall out of touch. And then when you say thinks like "PHP is front-end dev" people will immediately dismiss your knowledge, so you have to keep reminding them "but look.. my experience!" The term is "front-end dev", deal with it.
> "OMG PHP runs in the server this is backend unlike this JS code that literally does the same"
Old man yells at a language that can be used both in the cloud and browser.
When JS is executed in the server (e.g. Nodejs) is it part of the back-end stack. When it is executed by the browser, it is part of the front-end stack. When it executes on both, it is full-stack. Kapish?