[seanhunter]

I agree, but I'm not doing that though. I'm genuinely curious about whether or not it's possible and what that would mean. It seems to me that if it is possible it could potentially have significant ramifications for our understanding of our own thought process and our place in relation to other animals.

I started this thread simply by saying that the GP had applied a falsifiability standard to Chomsky that they weren't applying to their own reasoning when saying more or less that the model would have opinions were it not for artificial restrictions imposed by the programmers[1]. If whether the model has an opinion or not is a matter of definition that seems inherently unfalsifiable. However if we can establish a more objective basis then it could be falsifiable. I just don't know what that basis might be.

[1] Apologies if this is a mischaracterization - I genuinely don't mean to do so if it is.

[staunton]

What words mean is always a matter of definition. It is also usually (maybe even always and necessarily) vague. Humans are inclined to anthropomorphize and ascribe agency to pretty much everything. So my fairly confident prediction is that the definitions will end up so that "language models can have opinions". Some specific language models, for better or worse, may then be found not to have opinions.

Some people seem to be hinting at some "deeper" mystery underlying (human?) condition, which they're trying to capture with concepts, leading to debates about the meaning of words such as "consciousness". That word is commonly agreed to mean something "magic". One may think it a deep mystery and highly interesting. One may also think that it's a concept like "immortal soul", that empiricists will eventually abandon. Both viewpoints seem reasonable to me.

What I object to is insisting on definitions for much more mundane concepts, such as "opinion", that also must be somehow "magic", just because they also have something to do with human cognition. When I say "my friend X is of the opinion that we should do Y", nobody starts to ponder the potentially deeply mysterious consciousness of X. That's because it's besides the point.