[piva00]

> We are not absent market consolidation, but it's that which is the scandal, not what would otherwise be voluntary associations between private parties.

This is the crux of it, it's not voluntary association to be a participant in the surveillance economy. If I didn't live in the EU this would be my train of thought: I didn't choose it, I just accessed a website that had trackers and eventually that data is sold, I wasn't willing to do it and the contract for it is buried somewhere and simply by accessing it I've implicitly given the system tacit agreement to get my data scooped up.

That's why I believe GDPR was a major advancement for data privacy, I can actually choose to block trackers or to not access a website if they make it hard to not be tracked.

[scarface74]

You realize that EU is also trying to weaken encryption and give governments more power right?

[piva00]

As an EU citizen, yes, I'm very aware.

In here though I talked explicitly about GDPR and data privacy in the surveillance economy sense.

I'm not discussing encryption or government overreach on privacy matters in the EU in general, unsure why it is brought up in this thread, care to expand?

[scarface74]

So worrying about corporations and privacy from them when the government who literally has a “monopoly on violence” is taking away your privacy is like worrying about a mosquito bite when you have been shot.

[piva00]

I can worry about both, no? Because it's like... I do. And I can praise that the EU found a solution for one case while it's trying to overreach on another, it's not 1 or 0 here.

I still don't get why you brought this up when I'm specifically talking about one case of data privacy where I believe the EU has done right, I believe it's doing wrong with encryption and I'm actively contacting MEPs to share my view.

Again, what's your point? They're different issues, why are you conflating them and creating a strawman?

[scarface74]

> This is the crux of it, it's not voluntary association to be a participant in the surveillance economy

The EU doesn’t care about protecting you from “surveillance”.

[piva00]

I've explicitly said "surveillance economy". Don't misrepresent what I've said again for your own soapboxing, please.