[mattwad]

Trying to be fair here, but what about vue makes it less likely that you won't put the same conditional logic into your vue template? If it's just impossible, then you're saying the framework is more limited, which is fine but sometimes you want flexibility.

This seems to be a 'best practice' issue as well that can be avoided through PR review. My team has been putting logic more and more into local hook files to keep components clean.

[philliphaydon]

There's nothing inherently stopping people from writing clean react projects. But I've never seen one. But watching people fumble around trying to find where they need to make a change when things are so overly abstracted, and STILL try to justify that react is good, is baffling.

People break tables up into ~50+ files. It's crazy, and everyone does this, and its an absolute nightmare to maintain. Its 100% engrained into react culture that this is the right path forward.

React will never get better if people accept over abstraction as the right path forward.

[hirvi74]

So, I have not used React more than a tutorial here and there. Same with any of the other SPA libraries.

I do not understand why everything needs to be a single page application. Sure, my current employer is behind the times in the technology we use, but honestly, we survive just fine with server side rendering and plain, ol'boring, vanilla Javascript and a little JQuery here and there.

Of course, some things we have written are difficult to maintain at times, but I doubt any other library would have really made it simpler (more of an issue with the requirements than the technology). Abstraction is simple, for us at least.