[naraga]

100%. after all the evil they did in the world i dont understand how are they able to retain so much talent working for them. do people dont give a f* about their impact to the world? many shake their heads after someone exposes engineering team working in rusian army configuring Iskanders yet the same people work for facebook that spreads worst dissinfos, sells user data and basically plays parts in genocides.

[megaman8]

i really don't understand why people don't like facebook. they're no worse than apple or your ISP (now they're truely evil).

dissinfo? just unusubscribe or don't follow that account? do you really want facebook censoring everything you can see or don't see based on political correctness? or some other filter?

and how is it "selling user data". I've always found this to be wholly inaccurate. it's targetted advertisement. do you really prefer untargetted advertising?

I'm no facebook fanboy. personally i don't use it much. i've read articles on the matter but they never make any sense. Is there an article somewhere that explains all the vitriol towards facebook, because i really don't get it.

[supriyo-biswas]

> and how is it "selling user data". I've always found this to be wholly inaccurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onavo

[blsapologist42]

Ctrl+F "sell" doesn't have any matches on that page. It seems like FB was using Onavo to spy on people for its own competitive advantage. That's obviously extremely shady and unethical but it's not the same thing as 'selling'.

[TchoBeer]

Of course it's Israeli too. Gosh I hate my country sometimes.

[daveidol]

I don’t think they are some evil scourge on humanity, but I also don’t like them and won’t work for them.

For a few reasons: they copy/steal or acquire all their new ideas, have diluted most of the real human element of their social network products into “promoted” content or “recommended” reel spam - leading to an “Instagram culture” of flexing and showing off to gain an audience.

But I do agree with you that “misinformation” and user data issues are blown out of proportion.

[mbgerring]

Here’s one: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

Here’s another one: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/every...

Another: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/facebooks-...

Re: “no worse than Apple”: Apple implemented features to make my phone give me less notifications by default when I am driving, at work, or close to going to bed. These features are helpfully turned on by default. Contrast this with Facebook’s design philosophy of increasing the amount of time a user spends staring at their phone at all costs.

Apple’s tracking prevention has put such a huge hole in Facebook’s panopticon-like internet-wide surveillance scheme that it is almost certainly one of the causes of these layoffs. You ask “who wants untargeted ads,” and it turns out, when you give users a choice, the answer is “most people, actually.”

There is no rational basis for saying that Facebook is “no worse than Apple.” Facebook is an actively malign force in society, worldwide, and we would all be better off if they shut down completely.

[megaman8]

here are the reasons I hate apple more than facebook: 1. they force developers to buy mac os x to work on their platform 2. their app store monopoly is extremely hostile towards developers and thus democracy 3. they force me to enter my financial information when I sign up with them 4. they won't allow me to use their products without an apple account which means I need yet another password to sign in 5. they won't even allow me to download apps without signing into my apple account. 6. the whole apple ecosystem kinda locks you in. 7. planned obsolescence, which I really hate.

On the other hand for facebook. I can just ignore it completely for months on end and easily block all my notifications or emails from it. or block them one by one if I choose. if i dont like the feed, then I just don't spend time on it. nothing about facebook isn't easily circumvented whereas apple has a death grip on you, as long as you need to use it's products.

[RestlessMind]

Because companies paying as much as Meta have their own dirty laundry. Google, Wall Street, Crypto... you name it.

> do people dont give a f* about their impact to the world?

It is very hard to connect dots to Rohingya genocide when your job is to tune machine learning models to increase the engagement with feed. And if one starts going that rabbit hole, again, one will never be able to find a good well-paying job.

[blue039]

People have to eat. Maslow's hierarchy of needs and all that.

Fact of the matter is Meta has problems almost no one else has. Acting like people will choose less pay and boring work over interesting work and more pay on a moral basis is a little naive. But I see you apparently have a political axe to grind. Meta is not a morally acceptable place to work I agree. However, if you were offered 350,000 USD to work on something hard like a compiler or a data pipeline designed to ingest petabytes of data I'm sure you'd at least think twice about it. For example, you could work at Meta and use the money they pay to fund organizations you support that run counter to Meta's mission. This all not even mentioning having Meta on your resume is basically a golden ticket to the industry for the rest of your career.

[barbazoo]

> Acting like people will choose less pay and boring work over interesting work and more pay on a moral basis is a little naive.

That's a bit simplistic. There is plenty of well paid meaningful or at least less destructive work than working for FB.