[Vermeulen]

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

[aqme28]

What's ironic is that at this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him.

But I also think it's very fair for a medical device company take some scrutiny if its CEO is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.

[Vermeulen]

Good to see - when I posted this every comment was about Musk. I guess it just takes time on Hackernews to filter the worthwhile discussions to the top

[cabaalis]

Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.

[capableweb]

No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042). Then there were others (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.

[aqme28]

I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page.

The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.

[capableweb]

Here is the same comments ordered by time rather than score: https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 (you can also go directly to https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 and scroll upwards, every comment above that one was made before it)

You can clearly see that there are mentions about Musk before Vermeulen made their comment.

(also, you can hover the "N minutes/hours ago" and see the timestamp on HN too, which again will show you which chronological order things were posted in)

[aqme28]

Why do you need me to prove this to you?

Here’s my view: https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz

You can “clearly see” that this musk comment is third.

[noobermin]

The truth is that his ideas were always about his personality. Even the hyperloop he conceived because he wanted to dampen the CA HSR project and his general distate of public transit. Being someone who cared about public transit keyed me into the fact that he wasn't to be trusted quite early compared to everyone else.

This is the risk you drive with "great men" idols in any space, that's why it's always safest to talk about ideas and technologies themselves.

[Ekaros]

And the whole hyperloop makes me sad on general state of understanding of engineering. At least it is so big project that demo models just fail to work or scale up so money is only thing that will be wasted.

Neuralink is something that could kill people. And with manned space travel at least buyers that is agencies have enough rigor to ensure it is good before going forward.

[polotics]

Well you can only swallow repeated empty promises of progress on the technology front for so many years before you have to confront the blatant lies. Excuse me: "forward looking statements"

[weevil]

Comments about Musk's politics and personality have trended upwards along with his increasing political and personal comments. He didn't need to behave this way.