[caf]

There was a bit of a song and dance when Whatsapp adopted the Signal protocol. Certainly if you choose not to back up your Whatsapp messages, your old messages aren't available when you switch phones.

If they're not end-to-end encrypted, they're engaging in a lot of deception to indicate that they are.

[mulmen]

Thanks, I don’t have much experience with WhatsApp. I don’t have a lot of faith in Facebook. Especially post-Snowden.

If you think you need E2EE you can really only achieve that on an open system you control and have intimate knowledge of. You can’t trust precompiled binaries.

Something something trusting trust.

This isn’t a problem technology can solve. Women shouldn’t need to be information security experts just to ask questions about their own bodies.

[unmole]

> Especially post-Snowden.

What does Snowden have to do with Facebook? I'm asking in good faith.

[mulmen]

Facebook was wrapped up in PRISM.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

[unmole]

What exactly do you mean by wrapped up in PRISM? My understanding is FB like everyone else is legally obligated to comply with FISA demands?

[jeroenhd]

They are if you enable encryption (with your own key, of course). The default backups are insecure, though.

[mulmen]

Except you provide the key to the app and the app is controlled by FB. There’s really no way to prove the key stays on your device. Or that your messages aren’t just forwarded without encryption to a FB datacenter.