[joaonmatos]

Disingenuous. Contraception and abortions freed women from being locked into patriarchal family structures (see the thousands of years of history where women were passed from father, to brother, to husband with no choice in the matter).

[Broken_Hippo]

Not entirely, but it is a contributing factor: Women aren't suck having children and stuck staying with some guy because she can't support herself. It isn't the only benefit nor the only outcome of having these - we've had different sorts of abortion and imperfect contraception for thousands of years. Women are still stuck in such societies. Safe contraception and safe abortions keep women from dying. Women are able to have fewer children, spaced further apart, making for healthier women and healthier children - even in such traditional societies, assuming folks have access to these things.

[raverbashing]

Exactly

For men, it was always "pro-choice", child support and paternity tests are a recent invention (and don't compare with how hard it is to raise a kid)

If men got pregnant you could have your abortion together with your haircut

[f6v]

> For men, it was always "pro-choice"

You dramatically underestimate the number of both men and women who’re against abortion.

[raverbashing]

Are you counting those with unrecognized paternities?

Because it's very easy to be against abortion and having somebody else raise the child you should have been responsible for.

[Y_Y]

Are you advocating for the return of the barber surgeon?