[gedy]

In this case, I'd say I very much liked that the community colleges I attended in California had part-time faculty that were working in the industry. I feel the quality of education for some classes was better than what I received in university. (Thanks Mrs. Wong (Math) and Mr. Vedrin (EE)!)

[epage]

I really appreciated by CA community college experience with part-time faculty. My math, physics, and chemistry teachers were literally rocket scientists at their day jobs (military R&D).

[xhkkffbf]

The sad thing is that major universities are filled with researchers who are distracted by pushing on the frontiers. They often do a very basic job with teaching.

[jltsiren]

The sad thing is that the job market favors graduates from major universities. Research universities are doing what they are supposed to do, but their reputation attracts talented and ambitious students in general. When those students end up being successful in their careers, they maintain the reputation.

Some countries have tried establishing two parallel higher education systems. Universities provide research-based education, while the other system focuses more on skills that are relevant in the job market. And the job market still favors academic education over the more practical alternative.

[xhkkffbf]

I'm not saying that the research universities aren't performing according to plan. Only that the plan was never focused on helping the undergraduates learn.

[jltsiren]

I'd say the plan was focused on helping students to learn. It was not focused on teaching students with no intrinsic motivation to learn.

When I was a student in Finland, there were still remnants of the old system left. In that system, it was the student's responsibility to learn. The university provided opportunities and supported the student to the extent its resources allowed. The curriculum was centered around exams, which the student was expected to pass even when the corresponding classes were not offered. There was no expectation that everyone should graduate. It was ok to drop out if you could not find the motivation to study and pass the exams.

That was a good system for some and bad for others. And it was a poor fit to the new era, where the universities were repurposed to teach the masses skills that were supposed to be relevant in the job market.

[SoftTalker]

> The sad thing is that major universities are filled with researchers who are distracted by pushing on the frontiers.

Or simply writing enough grant proposals to cover their salary and lab expenses for another year

[sosodev]

Same experience for me