[hartator]

It seems biased. Tesla exaggerated claims feel scammy, but at least they have a product out there. None of these “leaders” have something you can test yourself.

[cassianoleal]

Perhaps because none of them are actually ready for usage in public?

That would say a lot more about Tesla's practices than about the ability of the others to deliver a product.

[steveBK123]

Charging $15k for software that doesn't work yet, and encourages dangerous behavior by untrained testers on public roads, for years, is not brave.

[throwntoday]

They make it clear that it's not ready yet at time of purchase and there is no definitive launch date. You are by no means required to pay for it and most people don't.

>encourages dangerous behavior by untrained testers on public roads

There are idiots everywhere. The functionality has been locked behind their driver safety score to ensure only responsible drivers can beta test. There's a delusion that it is dangerous based on the amount of press coverage any Tesla involved incident gets.

Do I trust that their car is better at driving than me? No. But is is better than most people on the road. I'd rather be driving near a Tesla than a Prius.

[paulryanrogers]

Great, how do I opt out of having other people's Tesla FSD near my kids?

> But is is better than most people on the road.

So says Elon. Yet he won't release disengagement data. Data speaks louder than blow hards.

[steveBK123]

Sure, as long as your kids are tall enough to ride.. for some height that Elon hasn't definitively disclosed.. with some probability curve.

* 90% won't kill your kid if 4ft+

* 70% won't kill your kid if 3.5-3.99ft

* 50% won't kill your kid if 3-3.49ft.

* All bets are off below 3ft.

Also make sure they are moving enough for the car to identify them, but not too fast for the car to be unable to react.

Make sure they wear high contrast clothing and it's not too dark (or too bright & glaring) out.

[kadoban]

> They make it clear that it's not ready yet at time of purchase and there is no definitive launch date. You are by no means required to pay for it and most people don't.

Elon has been loudly and repeatedly saying it's a year away for what, a decade?

> The functionality has been locked behind their driver safety score to ensure only responsible drivers can beta test

Pretty sure that's no longer true.

[steveBK123]

100% They unlocked it for all buyers without safety score requirement in December so they could book all the revenue finally

[steveBK123]

I owned one for 4 years and all of this is in the eye of the beholder, and constantly moving goal posts.

A lot of what FSD does & doesn't support is left intentionally vague.

At various times the FSD product page, the car sales page, and what Musk tweeted were completely out of sync as to what mode does what.

Lots of people bought the car thinking it handled situations it very much did not, and have attempted to use it in unsupported ways.

For example - poll 10 Tesla users about Autopilot on non limited-access highways use and you will get 4 different answers. Then ask them about what objects Autosteer is capable of avoiding. LOL.

[manishsharan]

You are never testing as self-driving car only by yourself. Any time you take a self-driving car for testing, you are also including other cars and pedestrians in your experiment. (unless you are doing it on a closed track )

[croes]

You mean the others don't make public beta tests.

[hartator]

At least we are not beta testing a vaccine.

[lern_too_spel]

Baidu, Waymo, and Cruise all offer driverless taxis right now. Tesla is far from offering such a service.

[jeffbee]

Anyone can get in a Waymo right now.

[deweller]

If you are in Phoenix, AZ. And it only operates in a well-defined area.

[jeffbee]

Phoenix, AZ is one more place than Tesla can claim. There are exactly zero places on this plane of reality where your driverless Tesla will come pick you up.