[SQueeeeeL]

The American system is too deeply tied to capital to have a policy that actually helps citizens and small businesses get passed. The second a government official proposed something like this, the espionage arms of the credit card corporations would come down so hard on them and arrange for them to fail their next appointment (through "lobbying")

[unglaublich]

CC companies are genius.

They charge companies 3% -> companies embed that 3% in their prices -> customers get a 1% refund from CC companies.

- If you do NOT use a CC, you effectively pay _more for CC users_ (3%!).

- CC companies make the customer feel like they have a benefit, while in fact, they are net payers too (2%).

- They have access to all (private) data of the customer, which is extremely powerful in this age and time.

[mihaic]

I honestly have no idea how the hell the US public is still deluding itself to not make this illegal.

Are the only ones that get it so content with their 1-2% pieces of silver that they're fine in trading the wellbeing of the less fortunate?

[cwkoss]

You say "only" as if this isn't the majority of the american bourgeoisie.

Pretty much all of finance, Landlords, IP trolling - the rich will unashamedly collect undeserved rent on anything they can up to and slightly over the line of the law.

[thayne]

It's a prisoner's dilemma. If we collectively switched to a payment system with lower transaction costs, we would all be better off. But as an individual, it is in your best interest to use the credit card with the highest rewards program, because you have to pay that extra 3% either way.

[mihaic]

Agree, and specifically for prisoner's dilemma/tragedy of the commons scenarios we have the option of regulation, which corporate propaganda has labeled as "government intervention is always bad".

And we also taught our children to be ethical and aim to do good, even in school, which helped.

[fallingknife]

On the one hand, 3% cc fees are much higher than what would be set by a competitive market and are only possible with an oligopoly. On the other hand, the convenience that they allow for not carrying cash is often worth more than the 3% to consumers/merchants like me. E.g. any online payment. So while it's massively overpriced, it's still a win win usually, and I think that's probably why people aren't madder about it.

[unglaublich]

Yeah, the convenience of having drinkable tap water is also worth >3% of your net income. But luckily, because of competitive markets, it's often <0.1% of your income.

[Oxidation]

Isn't water one is the canonical examples of a natural monopoly?

[mixdup]

what city in the US has a competitive water distribution system?

[bwy]

You've articulated the exact sentiment that I have to others before.

What can we do about it? Is trying to out-lobby i.e. regulate the CC companies the only way? I noticed that other countries don't seem to have this problem.

[arcastroe]

What prevents a new credit card company coming in and competing with a 2% transaction fee and undercutting visa/square?

Is it barrier to entry? Or would such hypothesized credit card company eventually cave to greed once they got big enough and move to 3% fees?

[thayne]

Evil genius

[hash872]

Debit card interchange fees have been regulated (aka price controls) in the US since at least 2011 https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R41913.pdf