[mattzito]

I have been able to have constructive conversations about things like false rape accusations with women by engaging constructively and having specific, salient points about them.

When I have seen them go very badly, it is almost always because the man comes at the conversation as there is somehow some equivalence or at least relative importance. And there absolutely is not anything close to equivalence.

Sexual violence is so prevalent among women that I know several women who have been assaulted multiple times. I once was having a deep conversation with two female friends and one of them started to tell a story that was obviously hard to tell, and when she paused, the other friend said without emotion, “so, what’s this going to be, rape or no rape?” (It was rape)

So yes, sure “me too witch hunts” are a real bummer, but telling that to a woman who has a not-insignificant percent chance of having been assaulted for real seems tone deaf, to put it mildly.

[chitowneats]

And yet, TFA is about a completely separate phenomenon. Why are you seemingly incapable of staying on topic by discussing it?

[mattzito]

This your definition of on-topic?

> I'm just recalling how many times women in my life said that to me in response to me daring to bring up any male-centered concerns. Things like Me Too witch hunts of men later proven to be innocent.

This is also in a larger thread correctly identifying that this is a situation that women have had to deal with for years - with no one saying it is acceptable.

[chitowneats]

Every single comment I've made in this thread was made with the intent of chiding those who are off topic.

"We didn't start the fire! Da nah nah nah nah nah"

[emj]

It is then easier to understand a point when people are more nuanced I will give you that. Usually people comment on just one small part of the comment that is why you always have to try to interpret everything with good will. Saying "Men might have to do what women do" could also be interpreted as belittling what women go through.

São Paulo was a pretty dark place back in the days I hope it has gotten better because it was also one of the most friendly places I've visited. Those tips for women seemed prudent for me back then.

I am more worried about the problem with digital money. It's a lot easier to rob/assault someone if you do not have to drag them to an ATM.