[DIVx0]

I cancelled my Rivian order precisely because they kept on changing my configuration to the point I was still going to pay a huge premium for a vehicle that I didn't intend to order.

I am willing to wait but Rivian and the others have lost so much credibility to deliver that I do not even trust a deposit with them.

So I will continue to wait until manufacturers can ship these things as ordered.

[landemva]

Rivian has decent specs and looks nice, but lack of end-user maintenance shops concerns me. Warranties are worthless if the vendor goes bankrupt.

[htrp]

Do you mind providing some more details on what config changes they were making to your order ?

[DIVx0]

Deleting the option to have the max battery pack along with quad motors was what pushed me over the edge. I was still with them when they removed some of the other gizmos like electric bed cover but the battery and motors are what I really wanted.

If I wanted a dual motor config I'd just have ordered a Ford, which would probably deliver sooner, for less money, and probably better supported in the long run.

[godzillabrennus]

Could be worse, you could be GM writing off your loan then selling your investment in Lordstown Motors only to have Foxconn step in to legitimize the business.

[barbazoo]

I visited their website yesterday and really liked their two models. Beautiful cars, but I just can't fathom spending >CAD100k on one. And that's before tax where I live. Just so unattainable.

[newZWhoDis]

What’s changed besides the electric tonneau cover?

[browniefed]

Max Pack + Quad is no longer an option for pre-orders and now is Dual Motor + Max pack. The Max pack has likely dropped 1 battery module that it would have had. Power Tonneau is gone but may return.

So mostly the "drastic" things that have changed are related to motor/battery unknowns.

[DannyBee]

Everything around max pack configs (motors, timing, etc)

Adventure pack no longer includes kitchen or tent, etc

[browniefed]

Adventure never included the kitchen or tent you had to purchase it, they just are re-working it and or discontinuing it. The main issue is their lack of communication around timelines.

[garyfirestorm]

They have so many issues in their powertrain. I work for a major oem and we chose not to even test the rivian vehicle for competitive benchmarking since the performance was so poor, there was nothing to learn from it.

[edwrenbeck]

Are you talking about Rivian?

They are using BOSCH motors and Samsung batteries. At least until their new dual motor config comes out with their own motors. I'd say this is neither poor or great since these are mostly industry standard options.

Munro has done a very detailed teardown of both the Rivian and the Lightning. The main complaint of the Rivian was that it was overbuilt and they are spending too much money. Otherwise, it's been given very high reviews for quality.

I suppose you could argue that the quad motor config is maybe something other OEMs wouldn't take up for many reasons, but it's not a "Poor" choice. It's resulted in one of the most unique vehicles to ever exist, which was probably a very good brand building strategy. The problem with Rivian now is that they haven't been able to pivot to mass market vehicles quickly enough.

[garyfirestorm]

the point i am trying to make is about 'vehicle integration' most of the oems don't make their own emotors. they 'engineer' vehicle attributes and provide the suppliers like Bosch with system level targets. this process is generally referred to as target cascading. if i want motor to sound xdB at driver ear, my vehicle needs to provide ydB isolation and then source needs to be at zdB, if this process is not hashed out well, you end up with poor isolation. you also have to consider variability in source and your manufacturing. This is the area where an automaker shines or crumbles, doing this poorly results in poor experience and hence poor reliability/quality. most of major oems think rivian is struggling in this area and just now laid of most of the sme's lol

[DannyBee]

Yeah sorry so much has changed I can't even remember all of the details right.

The main issue is both. Communicating constantly is not helpful if you also change everything you say all the time