Poor "science" exists in any discipline. Look at these articles and tell me how many named studies are in gender studies, for instance. I don't really think you'll find bigger critics of the academy in other fields either. These disciplines also don't classify themselves as "sciences" either as you would have it.
>Look at these articles and tell me how many named studies are in gender studies, for instance.
It has an entire "social science" section. Google "replication crisis gender studies" for articles covering this.
>I don't really think you'll find bigger critics of the academy in other fields either.
Anecdotal non sequitur.
>These disciplines also don't classify themselves as "sciences" either as you would have it.
I didn't classify them as science, I copied a quote from the linked Wikipedia page above. They're poorly attempting to hop on the social/political science bandwagon but there's a problem. Grievance studies are not science to begin with. They're not an academic discipline at all. It's an activist community masquerading as an academic discipline.
You can throw out Reddit guy words all you want but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. I didn't exclude any discipline I said it extends to all of them. That's not how "no true scotsman" works. I gave you sources to back that up. Also, gender studies is not really classified as a social science and I did Google "replication crisis gender studies" and didn't find much--I'm not sure how a replication crisis can extend to a largely theoretical discipline that doesn't really conduct classical scientific studies? You just said you don't classify the field as a science so clearly it wouldn't. I was supporting my first point which you seem to have misunderstood.
"Anectdotal non sequitur" no, I'm qualifying a larger trend I have observed. It's not a non-sequitur, it's based on the article you shared which covers a project that critiques academic structures like journals. You're the one who started this discussion about your own feelings towards the field--you just didn't qualify your comment as subjective, which it is.
"It's an activist community masquerading as an academic discipline."
>You can throw out Reddit guy words all you want but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
But in this case you are wrong, and this isn't reddit.
>I didn't exclude any discipline I said it extends to all of them. That's not how "no true scotsman" works.
"A true discipline has poor science". This is a variation of No True Scotsman. QED.
>I gave you sources to back that up
You gave no sources that backed anything up. You came in with a huge non sequitur that doesn't even follow the original posts. The GP asked for what other fields are considered "grievance studies" and I copied and pasted a quote from the article that covers the inventors of the term: The trio referred to several academic fields—postcolonial theory, gender studies, queer theory, critical race theory, intersectional feminism, and fat studies—as "grievance studies" because, according to Pluckrose, such areas begin "from the assumption of a grievance" and then bend "the available theories to confirm it".
>Also, gender studies is not really classified as a social science
It's not a science at all, but it regularly falls in the sphere of social science as related/integrated.
> I did Google "replication crisis gender studies" and didn't find much--I'm not sure how a replication crisis can extend to a largely theoretical discipline that doesn't really conduct classical scientific studies?
"highlight what they saw as poor scholarship and eroding criteria in several academic fields. Taking place over 2017 and 2018, their project entailed submitting bogus papers to academic journals in cultural, queer, race, gender, fat, and sexuality studies to determine whether they would pass through peer review and be accepted for publication. Several of these papers were subsequently published, which the authors cited in support of their contention."
>You just said you don't classify the field as a science so clearly it wouldn't.
A subject does not have to be classified as a "science" to have studies with replication issues. This being a prime example. You just proved my point. QED.
>I was supporting my first point which you seem to have misunderstood.
You haven't made any points, or you tried and failed.
>I'm qualifying a larger trend I have observed.
Anecdotal non sequitur as I stated. Nothing to do with the GP or my reply.
>You're the one who started this discussion about your own feelings towards the field--you just didn't qualify your comment as subjective, which it is.
I didn't start the discussion, the OP did. You're fractally wrong. And it's not my feelings, it's objective fact.
On the contrary, you should study the experiences and products of all of humanity and not just the ones that _appeal to you_ based on your own ideas and mindset.
When it comes to learning, never take the narrow view.
I’m referring to education, not professional specialization. And yet, isn’t the latter’s deleterious effect on the former a clear symptom of the problem?
Actually, I think male bias is a problem in other academic fields. For example, we spent a long time thinking girls rarely have ADHD or Autism, and didn't even test drugs on women in case they might be pregnant. It's important to take a critical and objective look on why a women's studies would exist historically, in a setting where academics may not consider women worth studying.
[To be clear: I'm not saying that women's studies is some kind of objectively valid hard-proof field of study or whatever. I do think however it is true that historically women have been excluded in academic study populations, which might explain why there may have been a legitimate desire to have a field of study for that underserved population.]
> historically women have been excluded in academic study populations
That may have once been true, but it is no longer the case. Since the 90s, women have earned more post-graduate qualifications than men. Women have parity in obtaining medical doctorates. They dominate the medical and life sciences, the humanities, psychology and social sciences, human resources, education, veterinary medicine, and many other fields. Computer science and some other math and engineering disciplines are rare exceptions.
I think you're misreading my point. You're arguing as if I'm saying that women's studies is still vital today because academia is still women-hostile. I'm arguing that women's studies may have at one point had a legitimate purpose, and outright dismissal and handwaving of their existence is un-intellectual. I'm therefore arguing for a more nuanced analysis of whether or not women's studies is still necessary, against the cynical dismissal in a forum whose membership is mostly men working in a field that's also mostly men.