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by orblivion 1209 days ago
Just to throw a wrench into this conversation - I applaud Tutanota on this (I was curious where Signal sees the line between Iran and the UK). However:

> (CP obviously)

Are there options on the table for dealing with this in a freedom-respecting way? Even if freedom were your only priority, the worse the problem gets, the more political capital the politicians have to shut it down. If it gets worse and worse, it strikes me as inevitable that encryption will be curbed, even in the United States.

Alternately, is there a really compelling argument that CP is not a real problem? Mind you that whatever arguments are out there, I'm going to be looking out for motivated reasoning. It seems like so long as freedom-enhancing technology increases, bad actors doing worse things is inevitably going to be a problem. I'm concerned about this, because (in addition to CP being bad) if it's true, proponents of encryption would be shooting themselves in the foot by being in denial.
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someNameIG 1209 days ago
> Are there options on the table for dealing with this in a freedom-respecting way? Even if freedom were your only priority, the worse the problem gets, the more political capital the politicians have to shut it down. If it gets worse and worse, it strikes me as inevitable that encryption will be curbed, even in the United States.

What Apple was going to do with the on device hashes?

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29083011397778 1209 days ago
This actually makes me think. Apple was only implementing the scanning prior to upload to iCloud, because they don't want to be liable for hosting (in any way, shape, or form) CSAM.

So in my mind, the obvious way out for everyone else is supporting things like Matrix hosting to make it turn-key for normal people. Not a managed service, but their Dendrite server and proper P2P [0] becoming usable. Now I just need to find, test for myself and family, and contribute to, a reasonable photo backup alternative (unless "Get a Synology" / "I picked up a Synology for family" becomes a crowd favourite in some insane universe).

[0] https://arewep2pyet.com/

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orblivion 1209 days ago
In theory, I suppose, but even if it's not diminished freedom, it seems to be a step towards it.
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