[guykdm]

It's horrible, but also true. Germany had to be beaten to complete submission, fighting to the last inch until Berlin itself fell. Just recently, ISIS was huge, controlling vast oil reserves. The middle east is problematic to say the least and IRI fanaticism is in the hitler-isis category. The west has built a nice cocoon but this is the world in which we live.

[mrguyorama]

It's also important to note that even though the west basically caused all these issues in the middle east, that doesn't absolve the countries and people of things they have done of their own accord. I can understand some middle eastern countries saying Israel shouldn't be there, since it was placed their by western fiat basically, but that is not a justification for wanting to nuke them.

[bhouston]

Iran isn't about to nuke Israel, rather looking for a MAD outcome. Instead Israel prefers to have freedom of action and avoid a MAD like scenario. Of course it is best for Israel to not have a MAD like scenario so we can play up Iran's evilness for sure...

[guykdm]

History teaches we shouldn't play with such fire. They absolutely might nuke us. Nobody thought the holocaust was possible before it happened. That is not a sane risk to take.

[bhouston]

> They absolutely might nuke us.

Iran, while they do have a pretty shitty leadership, have not historically been starting hot wars. They have proxies yes, but they haven't invaded anyone to conquer territories in recent history.

While would Iran do something that results in their destruction?

You are comparing them to Hilter who had taken over almost all of Europe, and had motivated the nation to take over those other countries. Nothing of the sort is happening in Iran like that. Iran has historically been defensive in its military spending and investments -- excluding the proxies it has funded.

> History teaches we shouldn't play with such fire.

I feel you are not viewing things as they are, but are imagining things based on faulty reasoning.

[guykdm]

You are analyzing in a hyper rational manner that does not align with how geo politics and indeed history works.

- While would Iran do something that results in their destruction?

Because it might not lead to their destruction (lots of scenarios for this)

because they are fighting for their lives due to some unrelated circumstances,

because the regime is falling and someone thinks it's the last chance to destroy israel,

because the Mahdai revealed itself to someone and ordered Israel bombed,

because it's what the most religious man who trusts in god would do

--You are comparing them to Hilter who had taken over almost all of Europe, and had motivated the nation to take over those other countries. Nothing of the sort is happening in Iran like that. Iran has historically been defensive in its military spending and investments -- excluding the proxies it has funded.

all the facts here regarding Iran are wrong. Hitler took over europe due to appeasment from a world tired of WW1, that's exactly what Iran will do with the Gulf, Iraq and syria given the chance.

[bhouston]

Oh, we are doing the Nazi comparisons again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law