[kayodelycaon]

If I had a dollar for ever "good faith" thing that fell apart, I could retire. :)

Everyone over-commits and under-delivers. There's very little incentive to do otherwise. That's why I like "fuck you, pay me": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U

[eganist]

Oh without a doubt. But I also understand why community organizers do it; they're pretty powerless against the corps in making the value proposition.