[mwbajor]

I don't understand the mental gymnastics to discredit the lab leak hypothesis. The fact that the lab and epicenter of the virus are in the same geographic area make it the likely scenario and warrants the most investigation. The efforts to look past this seem artificial.

[tenpies]

A big problem was that Trump was into this theory early on: the Chinese virus, from Wuhan. Let's time travel back to May of 2020 for example: "Trump claims to have evidence coronavirus started in Chinese lab but offers no details" [1].

According to the Swamp, Trump cannot be right about anything ever, therefore the virus' origin is unknown and don't call it the Chinese flu because that's racist - even if the early Chinese accounts of the disease literally called it the "Wuhan pneumonia". This became Woke dogma the minute Trump said the opposite.

This whole thing has been disgusting and if we were a serious society thousands in leadership positions would have been fired or resigned in disgrace. Instead, Hollywood made fan films about people who quite easily fit the definition of having committed crimes against humanity, Tedros still has a job, and the WHO won't see any reform - it will see a major expansion of its power. I fear for the next pandemic, because if it's anything deadlier than COVID it might legitimately end civilization given the amount of incompetence we've now entrenched into our civilizational safeguards.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/donald-trump...

[yibg]

I think this is the problem. Many are claiming a lab leak is the most likely / probable simply because of the proximity of the lab. We should investigate absolutely, but just saying the lab is there so a leak is the most likely doesn’t make sense.

[SV_BubbleTime]

> I don't understand the mental gymnastics to discredit the lab leak hypothesis.

I’m not sure I beleive in Dead Internet Theory so much as I believe in some form of unknowing indoctrination theory.

That if you take the people with these hardline defensive of authority opinions away from the internet for a bit, explain a new event to them, when they get back on the internet, none of the people they normally deal with have the same opinion of what they learned about “offline” at first.

I think we unintentionally have created a mind control device.

[actually_a_dog]

You don't need to "discredit" the hypothesis very much, because it shouldn't have any real "credit" to begin with. The only evidence for it at all seems to be the proximity of the Wuhan lab to the first known outbreak, plus the fact that 3 researchers got sick in November (i.e. flu season) with some unknown virus. If you ask me, that plus $5 might buy you a cup of coffee.

[ikrenji]

it's a hell of coincidence that out of all chinese cities the outbreak started in the one city housing the premiere institute dedicated to researching coronaviruses... so there is no smoking gun evidence, but it's a reasonable hypothesis... anyway, no one apart from the chinese ministry of state security will ever know for sure one way or another

[yibg]

Isn’t that mixing causation with correlation. The lab is there because there are lots of virus sources there.

[MichaelZuo]

This is definitely the most sensible explanation, since it's quite well known that Wuhan is the most important transportation hub in China since even before the lab was a distant dream in some postdoc's imagination.

And China does have the world's largest annual human migration, in the Spring Festival.

If I was in the planning department at whichever ministry that made the final decision on placement, putting the most prestigious and well funded lab studying dangerous human transmissible viruses at the world's most likely place to originate such a virus is an obvious choice.

i.e. during a few weeks every year Wuhan could easily be 10x more likely to be ground zero then any other city ever.

[mwbajor]

Wow, you did quite the somersault there.

[MichaelZuo]

Account created 22 days ago with the profile description: "Long time lurker, only made an account to comment about FPGAs..."

So this seems like low-effort trolling.

[himinlomax]

> The lab is there because there are lots of virus sources there.

That's patently false.

[actually_a_dog]

I don't see any evidence in either your or the GP's post.

[selfmodruntime]

So you discredit an incredibly likely theory that a rapidly spreading epidemic from an origin city in a totalitarian state with a highly specific lab focusing on coronaviruses, based on lack of credit?

I don‘t know what to say.

[actually_a_dog]

It's called "lack of available evidence." You can't use the fact that there isn't evidence of a thing happening in order to give the theory weight. When the evidence comes out, if it exists, and if it ever does come out for general consumption, then my opinion is subject to change.

Why not just say it came from North Korea? There's just about as much publicly available evidence for that as there is that it came from a lab leak in China.

[selfmodruntime]

> You can't use the fact that there isn't evidence of a thing happening in order to give the theory weight

I can and I will, because of the fact that there is some evidence that the Chinese Government made efforts to hide evidence around Covid 19’s origins and their history regarding uncomfortable truths.

You can not argue in good faith on grounds of evidence or no evidence if not all parties are playing open and fair. A totalitarian Government with an overarching system of controlling it‘s population and information is certainly not supporting good scientific research and discovery.