[Arathorn]

ironically, i agree with much with this: Matrix began in May 2014; we started E2EE in Feb 2015 and turned it on by default in May 2020. Centralised systems are way simpler and easier to reason about and present a smaller attack surface.

Is decentralisation worth it despite that? In my opinion, categorically yes. Just as the internet is better than a corporate WAN, and the internet should live forever, unlike the likes of AOL.

https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom was my attempt to articulate this.

[tptacek]

I would hope there's not much irony here at all. Signal has different priorities than Matrix. I'm sure the Signal project would like to think it can eventually grow to replace Slack, and I don't see that happening either.

[Arathorn]

The only irony was that you were expecting to be corrected, and instead I largely agreed.

[tptacek]

I don't think so! Also: we're waiting for y'all to be ready for the SCW podcast. So you have me over a barrel! I have to be nice to lure you.

[Arathorn]

I wouldn't waste time trying to be nice; I'll turn up whatever if you'll have me. Cryptographically constrained room membership in Matrix is still stuck behind consolidating on matrix-rust-sdk for E2EE, so we only have to address & audit it in one place - and progress has also been impacted by funding challenges (https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/25/the-matrix-holiday-update... etc). So you might have to wait a while longer.