[flakeoil]

I have the same issue with "finish setting up your device". I don't understand how this can be legal. In the early 2000 MS got fined for bundling IE as default, but I seriously think they have even more evil patterns now baked into Windows and all it's entangling into 365 etc.

[trinsic2]

I was thinking the same thing. I heard somewhere that nobody wants to prosecute Microsoft now because their systems are so tied into our our financial and political infrastructure that nobody wants to rock the boat. I also heard that Microsoft uses this as leverage against business that want to speak out against the dark patterns and deceptive practices Microsoft is involved in.

"The New Goliaths: How Corporations Use Software to Dominate Industries, Kill Innovation, and Undermine Regulation"[1] looks like a good book on the subject that I plan on reading.

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/New-Goliaths-Corporations-Industries-...

[nazgulsenpai]

I absolutely detest Microsoft, but I think that same argument could be made for most of big tech but especially Google, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle or even the link you provided there selling the book, Amazon.

[trinsic2]

Yes thats true. I think Microsoft is in a special position though because the have the dominate share in the business market. I'm not too interested in focusing on the "Other the bad apples to" as it distracts from the actual problem: "Dark Patterns" and our allowing of them as a society. I take the approach that external manifestations come from our inner states of being from every human on the planet. We allow these things to happen because of where we are at as humans in society, at this current state of our evolution. Maybe it will change someday, maybe not.