[eldaisfish]

I love these « benefits » because they are all incredibly shallow. Trucks are better in snow, assuming the snow isn’t cleared where you are. For the vast majority of the urban population, ground clearance isn’t an issue at all.

The flip side of increased interior room is exterior width, poor site lines, increased weight, increased energy waste, increased danger to pedestrians, increased road wear…

[LBJsPNS]

Yeah, well, I'm not going to carry $10K worth of tools and a couple of ladders on a bicycle. Or on the bus. Yes that's my work truck. Yes those tools get used every day.

[crote]

You could probably get a Mercedes-Benz Vito, or a similar vehicle. It has even more storage space, and it is more convenient to access than a truck bed.

Sure, a truck might be the best vehicle for your use case. It's probably the best vehicle for farmers, for example. But you could do all that with a 1970'd Ford F-150 just fine. Why does the 2023 F-150 have to be so much bigger, while not even gaining a lot cargo space?

[LBJsPNS]

In my case it's a 2008 E-250 van. Portable shop on wheels. Were I younger and looking to build an empire it would probably be a box truck.

I agree that pickups have grown ridiculously large.

[eldaisfish]

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make by describing the exception.

[JumpCrisscross]

> describing the exception

Never seen a pick-up in New York or San Francisco. They're everywhere in Wyoming. No, you don't need it around town. But if you're hauling a snowmobile or going off road, even only a few times a year, the trade-off can be worth it.

I don't drive a truck. But calling a subjective preference "objectively worse" is reductive.

[LBJsPNS]

I'm suggesting you have a total lack of understanding why trucks can be a necessity and not merely "the exception." I realize a lot of folks on HN work coding or other computer/technology focused jobs. There are many of us, however, who are tasked with keeping reality relatively functional. Trucks aren't optional for us. Neither are they compensation for inadequate manhood. They're tools. My tool chain is Ford and Milwaukee M12. What's yours?

[Eupraxias]

Entire regions that are 'the exception', shouldn't exist?